Rugby - Advantage Over!

[finbar]

Originally posted by Paradox
To be honest i never even saw the match so I can't comment.

Besides, since when was he the 1st or LAST ref north or south to make an error? Smacks to me of subjective viewing guys

You've stepped into a minefield, Paradox. Some of our NH posters - well, one in particular, who lives not a million miles from Toulouse, and those name starts with a "T", ends with an "n", separated by the letters "a", "m", "e", "r", "l", and "i" - likes to lob the occasional hand grenade in the direction of SH refs. Some of the SH posters like to lob them back. Okay, that's enough munitions metaphors for one post.

I notice, though, that he hasn't yet blamed the SH ref for Les Grenouilles' loss last night. The ref didn't cost them the game, they cost themselves the game. They could have won.

Anyway i didnt want to start a war...i was just giving this thread a Bokke slant to. Is that OK with you chaps?

You are most welcome! We've had some Bok reps before from time to time. I didn't see last night's match, so I don't know how you got to be 9 points down with 5 minutes to play. That, I'd've thought, would be a worry against the Pumas who are famous for not travelling well.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Yep, it was not forward... just another mystical call among others from Mr Watson.

How often has a player been carded for an incident reported by an assistant ref, unseen by the ref, that can't be penalised - apart from the card - because the play has subsequently moved on so far?

[LDiCesare]

Originally posted by Paradox
My referal was to your earlier statement in this thread re the Cocks being better competition than the Boks. But the Argies just beat them 2-0, and weve just beaten the Argies

Remember that France team wasn't exactly the best team we have, particularly in the pack. Also remember that playing Argentinians in Argentina and elsewhere are totally different things.
France still had a pitiful tour this year.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Paradox


Not at all. I didnt even mention him!

My referal was to your earlier statement in this thread re the Cocks being better competition than the Boks. But the Argies just beat them 2-0, and weve just beaten the Argies

Okay, the Bokka might be slightly better than France right now...happy?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by finbar


I can't imagine John Mitchell being terribly pleased with the AB performance. Apart from the first-half patch that saw Rokocoko's bonanza, they lacked fluency, their scrum was being upset by Les Grenouilles' pack - very much a second-string outfit - and their lineout effort was, as you say, puzzling. Les Grenouilles would have to be very happy with their effort after, apparently, sub-standard jobs against the Pumas. Obviously Les Grenouilles lifted for the game, their record against the ABs in recent times is very good, but I thought they rather embarrassed the ABs overall.

I agree. It was a frustrating game for me to watch - especially considering the French pack was second-string. Also the behaviour of Thorne was inexcusable. He deserved to be sent off. If I were Mitchell I would be "reaming him a new one" as they say here in the states.

[finbar]

Baby All Blacks beat Baby Wallabies 22-10 in the final of the U 21 World Cup. The Baby Wallabies had their two best players - #9 and #10 - sinbinned. Silly little boys. The teams drew 37-all earlier in the tournament, so I suspect they're probably pretty evenly matched.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by finbar
Baby All Blacks beat Baby Wallabies 22-10 in the final of the U 21 World Cup. The Baby Wallabies had their two best players - #9 and #10 - sinbinned. Silly little boys. The teams drew 37-all earlier in the tournament, so I suspect they're probably pretty evenly matched.

...aside from a bit of indiscipline here and there.

I've never watched an under 21 game. What are they like?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I agree. It was a frustrating game for me to watch - especially considering the French pack was second-string. Also the behaviour of Thorne was inexcusable. He deserved to be sent off. If I were Mitchell I would be "reaming him a new one" as they say here in the states.

It was indeed a frustrating game, the performance of the French team was hopefully better than the last two week-ends and this is rather encouraging. You are right to talk about the "second string" nature of the pack as two of the AB tries came after the All Blacks skillfully exploited a gap between a maul or scrum and the defending line. This means the French team is certainly lacking some coordination between its forwards and its backs. One of the explanations would be that because of the large number of new players the whole team have not yet found the automatisms that would allow it to play at its top level.

At least I hope so...

You've stepped into a minefield, Paradox. Some of our NH posters - well, one in particular, who lives not a million miles from Toulouse, and those name starts with a "T", ends with an "n", separated by the letters "a", "m", "e", "r", "l", and "i" - likes to lob the occasional hand grenade in the direction of SH refs. Some of the SH posters like to lob them back. Okay, that's enough munitions metaphors for one post.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING I COULD BE THIS POSTER?

I notice, though, that he hasn't yet blamed the SH ref for Les Grenouilles' loss last night. The ref didn't cost them the game, they cost themselves the game. They could have won.

That's right, they could have won the game if they had been more efficient. Mind you they stole something like 5 or 6 balls from the AB's line out and did not score a point after them. Fabien Galthié was really under its real value and this is worrying as he has not directed the game letting this task to Frédéric Michalack and then Merceron.

Finbar's paragraph:

The referee was one of the best I saw in the SH as he was equally bad for the two teams (though he imagined a forward without which the AB would have scored a try, this error only balanced the terrible decisions he had previously made). The referee was not unfair, he was just bad. Which is rather good for a SH referee.

Have I been good Finbar?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Okay, the Bokka might be slightly better than France right now...happy?

Pure speculation!

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Not answering all the interesting ones? What interesting ones? I think you're confusing your threads.

Sorry Finbar I just copied and pasted the message I wrote in another part of the Apolyton Forum.

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Havak
But he could have nailed it by saying he realised his mistake when he actually got a civilised conversation out of the ANZ building.

If only I'd thought of it.
That, however may have had negative future repercussions - One-liners like "Go tell it to the ANZ building" or "Been talking to the ANZ building again?" and whatnot. Not naming names of course.


Well, les Bleus didn't disappoint nearly as much as some might have thought. I rather thought the AB's were a little lucky in the end, after letting France off le hook. We can look at it with the view that at least we won. France can take the attitude that they improved quite a bit. I think they got the better deal.

The referee was one of the best I saw in the SH as he was equally bad for the two teams (though he imagined a forward without which the AB would have scored a try, this error only balanced the terrible decisions he had previously made). The referee was not unfair, he was just bad. Which is rather good for a SH referee.

Who're you and what have you done with Tamerlin?!



[Edit: just found this in an article summarising the game ...

Some of the most interesting statistics that came out of the first half is the low penalty-count, with referee André Watson needing to award only six penalties (two against France and four against the All Blacks). The referee's control of the match seemed far superior to some other performances by match officials in internationals this year.

Could it be that people other than Tamerlin share the view that referee standards lately haven't been up to par?
More to the point is this one of the signs of the apocalypse? ]

[finbar]

Originally posted by Caligastia


...aside from a bit of indiscipline here and there.

I've never watched an under 21 game. What are they like?

I watched a package of highlights of both semi-finals - Australia -v- Argentina and New Zealand -v- South Afriace. Very quick, open rugby with lots of skills on display. In fact, very S12-like. Australia, New Zealand and South Africa all had players with S12 experience.

The final was televised live this morning, but at 3 am. Much too early for me. It's replayed tomorrow morning at 9am, so I might have a look.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin

ARE YOU SUGGESTING I COULD BE THIS POSTER?

There you go jumping to conclusions and drawing inferences again! I think that's enough athletic and artistic metaphors for one post.

Mind you they stole something like 5 or 6 balls from the AB's line out

True. That - and in the scrums - is where Les Grenouilles embarrassed them, I think.

The referee was one of the best I saw in the SH as he was equally bad for the two teams (though he imagined a forward without which the AB would have scored a try, this error only balanced the terrible decisions he had previously made). The referee was not unfair, he was just bad. Which is rather good for a SH referee.

Okay, here's your chance to be specific instead of just spraying like a Tom as you usually do. What, apart from letting both teams stray offside, did he do wrong in your humble opinion?

Have I been good Finbar?

It depends how you answer the immediately above.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Sorry Finbar I just copied and pasted the message I wrote in another part of the Apolyton Forum.

Yeah, one of the PBEM threads, sans doute.

[finbar]

Originally posted by ravagon


If only I'd thought of it.
That, however may have had negative future repercussions - One-liners like "Go tell it to the ANZ building" or "Been talking to the ANZ building again?" and whatnot. Not naming names of course.

You should have quit while you were ahead.

Could it be that people other than Tamerlin share the view that referee standards lately haven't been up to par?

It reads like pure Tamerlin to me. Only someone fixed his possessive pronouns for him.