Leftist protesters go home!

[Dinner]

The switch happened in the 1960s. Before that the south always voted Democrat but the Democrats came out for desegrigation and the Republicans came out against it thus the south switched to Republicans.

[Kuciwalker]

As I said, the reversal was still happening (or hadn't happened at all) in the South (and other places). So it's not surprising.

[Kidlicious]

Man I wish Republicans would actually read some of the Leftist stuff that Lincoln said. They sound soooo stupid saying they are the party of Lincoln.

[DinoDoc]

Are you refering to the fake quotes some people like to bat around?

[mrmitchell]

dino:

and because Lincoln left behind some decidedly pro-labor statements

As early as 1847 he had written, "To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government,"

in 1860, he praised the right to strike, as then being exercised by the shoemakers of Lynn. His clear assertion of the labor theory of value in the 1861 message — "Labor is prior to, and . . . superior to capital" — and his answers to the addresses of workingmen abroad and at home gave a color of Marxism to his thinking. He was, surely, the best friend labor ever had in the White House.

Simply put, it's true--Republicans were, at one time, Liberal and Democrats were, at one time, conservative . If you have issue with this, I recommend you pick up any fine history book and check it out for yourself.

[DinoDoc]

I never said otherwise. Now perhaps you could tell me what this has to do with the thread in anyway?

[mrmitchell]

Lincoln? A Republican elected by people in states that had outlawed slavery. It was the Democrats who fought to keep it in place.

Oh and by the way, Lincoln did not intend to outlaw slavery even several years after the civil war began. "But the Emancipation Proclomation", you cry out! Bah. It was a political move designed to start slave rebellions and cause general problems in the South. "But the 14th Amendment!" Note how late it came in the war?

[Kuciwalker]

It has to do with one of Sava's remarks... I think.

EDIT: getting back on track, is there anyone here who supports the protesters [actions]? We need someone to argue with

[mrmitchell]

dino: rmsharpe let loose a falsehood in response to the assertion that Republicans didn't have a spotless civil rights record. Thus, the threadjack began, and I didn't see reason to remove it...it's more interesting than the original topic anyways.

And as for your "never said otherwise", I felt that it was believable and acceptable that you were saying that the Lincoln-as-commie-leftist theory was wrong. I felt you did this by disproving only one of his quotes. I felt it necessary to point out that in your same article, there were a few other quotes that were true. Please excuse me if I misunderstood.

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Perhaps if we stopped using "Republican" and "conservative" and "Democrat" and "liberal" interchangeably, this could have been avoided.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by skywalker
EDIT: getting back on track, is there anyone here who supports the protesters [actions]? We need someone to argue with

We may have to wait for the Euros to wake up; many of them are stridently anti-GM. Of course their state owned media runs clips night and day about how evil and dangerous GM foods are (complete rubbish) but this is due many because Europe is so far behind the rest of the developed world in GM technology and Euro politicians find anti-GM feelings to be a good excuse to put up protectionist trade barriers agaisnt foreign produce.

[mrmitchell]

Oh yeah, by the way--I think GM foods are okay just as long as they don't get to interbreed with regular foods.

[Shi Huangdi]

The political base of the Republican Party hasn't changed too much since its inception in anyway except race and geogrpahy. The GOP was the party of Big Business from the beginning, with strong support from the highly religious.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Oh yeah, by the way--I think GM foods are okay just as long as they don't get to interbreed with regular foods.

They are regular foods.

[MRT144]

which is why its fundementally bad for america shi. zealots and self serving capitalists are bad for america.

a theocratic run away "free" market

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by The Templar
Gee, if you had and used mass transit this wouldn't really be a problem would it?

And if you had functional mass transit systems, more people might use them.


[quote]
Besides, what about letting the people exercise their right to assemble and petition the government for a redress? Those are constitutional -

The right to petition the government for a redress is nothing more than a right to communicate.

The right to assemble does not mean assemble anywhere, anytime, any way you feel is convenient, regardless of safety issues or infringement of other rights. If you're given a designated area to assemble, and choose to play games elsewhere to prove what a law ignoring badass you are, then you better make bail arrangements.

your "right" to a convenient commute is not guaranteed.

Actually, freedom to move about without unreasonable hindrance is implied in several "guaranteed" rights, and private citizens have no "right" to interfere with the lawful activities of anyone.

So suck it up.

Better to **** them up if the weenies get out of line. If someone blocks me, they'd better have a lot of reinforcement, because if they don't get out of my way, they'll be eating pavement.