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    'Jesus box' exposed as fake

    JERUSALEM --A stone box touted as the oldest archaeological evidence of Jesus is, in fact, a well-crafted fake, Israeli archaeological experts say.

    The box, an object known as an ossuary, was said to have contained the bones of Jesus' brother James.

    Carved on one side is an inscription in the ancient language of Aramaic bearing the legend: "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

    Officials with Israel's Antiques Authority announced Wednesday that while the box may date from the correct era, the inscription is a forgery added at a much later date.

    "The inscription appears new, written in modernity by someone attempting to reproduce ancient written characters," the officials said in the statement.

    They said that a panel of archeological experts had agreed unanimously with the findings.

    The box first came to public attention in October last year when French archaeologist Andre Lemaire identified and translated the inscription.

    Writing in the Biblical Archaeology Review last year Lemaire, an expert in ancient scripts, said it was "very probable" that the box belonged to Jesus' brother James. (Evidence of Jesus?)

    However, after months of detailed examination of the box and the inscription the team of Israeli experts concluded that the finding was incorrect.

    "The ossuary is real. But the inscription is fake," the director of Israel's Antiquities Authority, Shuka Dorfman, told Reuters.

    "What this means is that somebody took a real box and forged the writing on it, probably to give it a religious significance," Dorfman added.

    The committee said another indication that the box was not all it was claimed to be was that the stone from which it was hewn was more likely to have originated in Cyprus or northern Syria than ancient Israel.

    However, Oded Golan, the Israeli owner of the "James ossuary," dismissed the findings.

    "I am certain the ossuary is real, I am certain that the committee is wrong regarding its conclusions," he said.

    Golan had earlier said he had problems with the committee and its methods of investigation saying they had "preconceived notions."

    He said he had bought the ossuary in the mid-1970s from a dealer in the Old City of Jerusalem for about $200, but he was unable to remember the dealer's name.

    Ossuaries were commonly used by Jewish families between 20 B.C. and A.D. 70 to store the bones of their loved ones

    While most scholars agree that Jesus existed, no physical evidence from the first century has ever been conclusively tied with his life.

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    Copyright 2003 CNN. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    In case you are keeping track at home. There is NO physical evidence that suggests Jesus existed. I think someone did exist, but obviously without all the mythical mumbo jumbo.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    Old news...they announced it was a fake months ago, IIRC
    Tutto nel mondo è burla

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    • #3
      Don't you mean "James Box" ?
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • #4
        Last year, actually.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          No, you know-it-alls are wrong.
          It was announced today.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            Actually, Sloww, I read something about this quite a while ago. While this particular announcement may have been today, basically about a month or two after the box was discovered (and I started the thread on that, if you may remember), it was already largely considered to have been faked.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              jesus is a religious figure. he is more a matter of faith than concrete proof.
              B♭3

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              • #8
                Don't you mean "James Box" ?
                Blame CNN
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  If I wasn't so lazy, I'd do a search, since we've had a few thread about this a while back.
                  It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                  RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #10
                    You could do a search, and you'd still be lazy.
                    The discussion was on the finding of the box.
                    Run back outside and play with the other ferrets.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      No actually there was at least another thread on it when they tried to put the box on exhibition in Toronto.

                      Of course Mr Golan would want the box to be real, he has a lot of vested interest in it.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                      • #12
                        Personally, I just want to see evidence confirming he DID exist, or DIDN'T exist. I don't care if he did or didn't, I just want to know for sure.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Sava, take it on faith. It won't hurt you, it really won't.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            religion is a matter of faith. trying to prove it with physical evidence goes against the very nature of religion.
                            B♭3

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                            • #15
                              Jesus artefact 'a fake'

                              An ancient burial casket, claimed by its owner to contain the bones of Jesus' brother, has been declared a fake by Israeli antiquities experts. (BBC)

                              The small ossuary, inscribed "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" in Aramaic, was hailed as the oldest archaeological link to the New Testament.

                              But after studying the first century artefact, Israel's Antiquities Authority says the inscription is not authentic.

                              The ossuary, which is about 50 centimetres (20 inches) long, was revealed to the world last November at a Washington press conference held by the Biblical Archaeology Review.

                              A number of experts who inspected the small limestone box at the time said they found no reason to doubt its authenticity.

                              Ancient written characters

                              But Israel's Antiquities Authority said its own investigation carried out by several committees of experts concluded the inscription was fake.

                              "The inscription appears new, written in modernity by someone attempting to reproduce ancient written characters," it said in a statement.

                              The ossuary's owner, Israeli collector Oded Golan, dismissed the authority's findings.

                              "I am certain the ossuary is real," he said. "I am certain the committee is wrong regarding its conclusions".

                              Mr Golan said he bought the ossuary from an antiques dealer in Jerusalem in the mid-1970s for around $200.

                              However, police are interviewing dealers in Jerusalem's Old City following suspicions that the ossuary was bought only a few months ago.



                              Burial Box Not from Jesus Brother -Israeli Experts
                              Wed June 18, 2003 09:25 AM ET
                              By Corinne Heller
                              JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli archaeological experts said on Wednesday an inscription on an ancient stone box suggesting it once contained the bones of Jesus's brother, James, was a forgery.

                              The burial box and its Aramaic inscription "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" had excited speculation that it could be the earliest physical reference to the founder of Christianity outside the New Testament.

                              But the director of Israel's Antiquities Authority, Shuka Dorfman, called it a hoax.

                              "The ossuary is real. But the inscription is fake. What this means is that somebody took a real box and forged the writing on it, probably to give it a religious significance," Dorfman told Reuters after a news conference on the matter.

                              James, who was believed to have been stoned to death in 62 A.D., is mentioned in the Gospels as Jesus's brother. Jews and Protestants accept this but Catholics -- who believe Christ's mother Mary was a virgin all her life -- say he was a cousin.

                              Dr Gideon Avni, the archaeologist who chaired a committee of archaeological experts investigating the find's provenance since March, told reporters the conclusion was unanimous.

                              The committee concluded that "even if the ossuary is authentic, there is no reason to assume the bones of Jesus's brother were inside," and that the stone of the box was more typical of Cyprus and northern Syria than ancient Israel.

                              The committee's report said the inscription of the "James Ossuary" cut through the stone's patina, or natural fossilized sheen, and appeared to be in modern text, written by someone attempting to reproduce ancient biblical fonts.

                              However, the experts could not pinpoint the time when the inscription was forged.

                              An Israeli antiquities collector bought the ossuary in the 1970s but had no idea of its significance. Last year he invited Andre Lemaire, a renowned French scholar of ancient texts, to examine it. Lemaire concluded the inscription was genuine.

                              Ossuaries were used by Jews in Jerusalem from 10 B.C. to A.D. 70 to hold skeletal remains of bodies near caves. Many believed that once decomposed, the dead could be resurrected with the coming of the Messiah.

                              Only a few hundred ossuaries of the thousands unearthed contain inscriptions, reserved for the dead of high status.



                              Experts: Ossuary inscription a fake
                              By STEVE WEIZMAN

                              JERUSALEM (AP) - An inscription purporting to link an ancient burial box to Jesus' brother James is a modern day forgery with no link to New Testament figures, Israel's Antiquities Authority said Wednesday.

                              The ossuary, used to bury human bones in ancient times, had been hailed by some in the archeology world as an extraordinary discovery. The box read "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

                              In the Bible, Matthew 13:55 refers to James as Jesus' brother. He later became head of the church in Jerusalem, according to the New Testament.

                              Israeli officials on Wednesday described the inscription, as well as another purported archeological marvel, the "Yoash inscription," as "forgeries."

                              "The inscriptions, possibly inscribed in two separate stages, are not authentic," the Antiquities Authority said in a statement.

                              The James inscription cut through the ancient limestone box's patina, a thin coating acquired with age, the experts said, proving the writing was not ancient.

                              "The inscription appears new, written in modernity by someone attempting to reproduce ancient written characters," the Antiquities Authority statement said.

                              The officials reached their conclusions after intensive exams by several committees of experts, the authority said.

                              Oded Golan, the Israeli owner of the ossuary, dismissed the officials' findings.

                              "I am certain that the committee is wrong regarding its conclusions," Golan said Wednesday. He had previously complained that the committee had "preconceived notions."

                              The Israel Antiquities Authority and the Jerusalem police launched separate investigations into the two items after Golan offered one for sale.

                              The Yoash inscription is a shoebox-sized tablet from about the ninth century BC inscribed with 15 lines of ancient Hebrew with instructions for maintaining the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

                              When it was first disclosed two years ago, it caused a stir in the archeological world, with some experts calling it a rare confirmation of biblical narrative.

                              But a biblical language professor, Avigdor Horowitz, who served on one of the investigating committees, said not one inscribed passage on the tablet was without a linguistic mistake.

                              "The person who wrote the inscription was a person who thinks in modern Hebrew," he told a news conference in Jerusalem. "A person thinking in biblical Hebrew would see it as ridiculous."

                              The existence of the James ossuary was disclosed last November at a news conference in Washington by the Biblical Archaeology Review.

                              Israel Antiquities Authority head Shuka Dorfman said the ossuary itself was not examined because its authenticity as an ancient burial box was not in question. The practice of reburying Jewish remains ended around AD 70.

                              "The box is original; probably we have in our storeroom hundreds of the same or similar ossuaries. The inscription is false," he said.

                              The artifact had been valued at $1.35 million to $2.7 million Cdn, based on the claimed link with Jesus.

                              Robert Eisenman, who wrote a book on Jesus' brother, studied the box and said the writing on the box, written in two different hands, along with the artifact's sudden appearance, made its authenticity questionable.

                              "I always considered the timing of the James ossuary very odd and worrisome," he said. "There was a spate of books on James and his importance in 1997 and 1998, then the box appeared."

                              The ossuary, exhibited at the Royal Ontario Museum in November and December 2002, developed cracks en route to Toronto from Israel. The cracks extended through the latter parts of the inscription, now deemed a forgery. The museum's conservation staff made efforts to redress the damage.

                              Golan said he bought the James ossuary in the mid-1970s from an antiquities dealer in the Old City of Jerusalem for about $270 Cdn, but he said he could not remember the dealer's name.

                              Antiquities inspectors, who have questioned several Old City dealers, were also checking suspicions Golan bought the ossuary only a few months ago. In such a case, those involved in the sale could be prosecuted for dealing in stolen goods.

                              The police investigation into how the box was acquired will continue regardless of the committee's findings.

                              Dorfman said the antiquities experts made a purely scientific examination of the artifacts, without trying to prove or disprove any allegations against Golan.




                              NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE IN STORIES:

                              Reuters says:
                              "An Israeli antiquities collector bought the ossuary in the 1970s but had no idea of its significance."

                              AP says:
                              "Golan said he bought the James ossuary in the mid-1970s from an antiquities dealer in the Old City of Jerusalem for about $270 Cdn, but he said he could not remember the dealer's name.

                              Antiquities inspectors, who have questioned several Old City dealers, were also checking suspicions Golan bought the ossuary only a few months ago. In such a case, those involved in the sale could be prosecuted for dealing in stolen goods."


                              BBC says:
                              "Mr Golan said he bought the ossuary from an antiques dealer in Jerusalem in the mid-1970s for around $200.

                              However, police are interviewing dealers in Jerusalem's Old City following suspicions that the ossuary was bought only a few months ago. "


                              Conclusion:
                              Reuters took a statement for a fact and didn't bother to check it's reality.

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