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hey! Russians did great things! *crickets chirp*
Okay often they were just trying to catch up to the rest of Europe.
Okay often they were just trying to catch up to the rest of Europe.
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noone denies they did, Diss.
the point is, they still had to catch up with europe.Comment
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Huh? Not only did they make it to Prussia and Poland (and I believe eastern Germany) only to have the ruling Khan die back home ending the rampage, the Huns preceded them in Europe by about 800 years.mongols never invaded europe.
Btw, there is evidence the Chinese developed cannonry before Europe and the technology spread to Islam and then to Europe.
The siege guns used by the Muslims to take Constantinople were state of the art...Comment
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I know why I've been avoiding this thread. Just looking at the last page, holy crappola.
No really? And who designed and built them?Originally posted by Berzerker
The siege guns used by the Muslims to take Constantinople were state of the art...
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Re: Re: How did the area of Europe advance so quickly?
Stagnate, with its population tripling, its institutions changing radically in all areas, its economy growing strongly?Originally posted by Tingkai
The question should be: Why did Europe stagnate for 1,000 years (roughly 500AD-1500AD) and then take off during the past 500 years?
Rubbish.
"China's civilization under a single government maintained a high level of civilization from about 200BC to 1800AD. Civil war in China then creates chaos from about 1840-1949."
Yeah, that's why its population fell in half from the end of the Song to the early Ming dynasty. The plague was as devastating in China as it was in Europe. Population density under the late Song wasn't higher than in most of western europe, if you can trust the estimates.
It's really strange that this cooked up history fantasy about europe's middle ages just doesn't want to die.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Or perhaps a better question would be:
Why didn't the rest of the world advance as quickly as it should/could have?Comment
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Stagnate, with its population tripling, its institutions changing radically in all areas, its economy growing strongly?
Rubbish.
Hersh, I was going to make that point but my knowledge of that period of European history is much weaker than any other. Thanks!
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Re: Re: Re: How did the area of Europe advance so quickly?
Go Roland! Go Roland!
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inferior genes. darker skin.Originally posted by Dissident
Why didn't the rest of the world advance as quickly as it should/could have?
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The Americas got a momentum going late.Originally posted by Dissident
Or perhaps a better question would be:
Why didn't the rest of the world advance as quickly as it should/could have?
Africa was stuck in the iron age due to a lack of good domesticables.
India/SEAsia were just unlucky.
China demonstrated the dangers of a single World Government.
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Yeah, that's why its population fell in half from the end of the Song to the early Ming dynasty. The plague was as devastating in China as it was in Europe. Population density under the late Song wasn't higher than in most of western europe, if you can trust the estimates.
Not only that but bureaucracy falling apart because of complacency. Corruption involving and then the end of civil service exams. A total lack of forward progress (because everything fell apart).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Gee, who did successfully invade the entirety of western Europe? Cro-Magnon?I should've said "successfully invaded entire western europe".
Is this better?
Hersh -Not the Europeans, but thanks for adding to the crappola.No really? And who designed and built them?
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The united States invaded western Europe
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According to who? IIRC, Joseph Needham says something entirely differently.Originally posted by Oerdin
Not true. By 1450 the European fire arms & cannonry were far, far better then anything you could find in east Asia.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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