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Why is the U.S. not facing economic sanctions from its illegal war?
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Because foreign countries are smart enough to know that economic sanctions, in a global economy, hurt everyone. And quite frankly, the European objections to US policy (or anti-Americanism if you want to play the name game) is based upon the US's own actions and not ignorant stereotypes (i.e. French bashing).To us, it is the BEAST. -
Not to be a nitpicker, but not all do.the European objections to US policy
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
why is war not sanctioned by the un illegal?
nations in the un have not given up their soverignty to the un...
Source:Experts on international law have conflicting views about the rights and wrongs of any military conflict.
Some believe that the use of force would be justified under existing UN resolutions, so another vote is not needed.
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A group of 16 academic lawyers have questioned the validity of an attack on Iraq under UN resolution 1441.
The letter, published in The Guardian newspaper, said use of force would only be justified in self-defence to armed attack or if a new resolution on force was passed.
A British academic, Professor Nicholas Grief, says this is not as far fetched as it may seem. He cites the Nuremberg charter of 1945, which established the concept of a crime against peace.
"There is a school of thought that going to war without the express authority of the Security Council would violate the UN charter," says Professor Grief.
"That could raise serious questions about the personal responsibility of President Bush and Mr Blair, and they could have a case to answer.
"They could be held to account in years to come. It is something they ought to be concerned about."
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And quite frankly, the European objections to US policy (or anti-Americanism if you want to play the name game) is based upon the US's own actions and not ignorant stereotypes (i.e. French bashing).
Actually Sava, French bashing is also based upon France's own actions (actively trying to get the US's proposal to fail, instead of simply just saying they disagreed... something that allies shouldn't normally do).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Re: Re: Why is the U.S. not facing economic sanctions from its illegal war?
Is terrorism not a War? One would think people would understand that in order to slow down terrorism, you have to strike at all fronts, those that train terrorists, finance terrorists, harbor terrorists and condone terrorist activities should be shown what happens when you continually attack countries. Innocent civilians or Military forces being attacked, same deal, :Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Wars not santioned by the UN are illegal.
This war was not sanctioned by the UN.
Therefore this war was illegal.
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If the United Nations doesnt have the stomach for this, well, we the US of A do and we dont mind carrying the Torch of Freedom..AGAIN!
Yes, Torch of Freedom means doing what is necessary to get the job done!
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Actually Sava, French bashing is also based upon France's own actions (actively trying to get the US's proposal to fail, instead of simply just saying they disagreed... something that allies shouldn't normally do).
Similarly, South Korean US bashing is based upon America's own actions (actively trying to sabotage the peace process... something that allies shouldn't normally do).Blog | Civ2 Scenario League | leo.petr at gmail.comComment
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Nothing like a good French Kiss..eh?Originally posted by Ming
Gee... I remember it the other way around... Chirac has been trying to kiss Bush's butt ever since the war ended. Bush being nice back just means he's allowing Chirac to shove his nose even farther in.
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Re: Re: Why is the U.S. not facing economic sanctions from its illegal war?
The war was part of the serious consequences outlined in a resolution you ought to be aware of.Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Wars not santioned by the UN are illegal.
This war was not sanctioned by the UN.
Therefore this war was illegal.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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Re: Re: Re: Why is the U.S. not facing economic sanctions from its illegal war?
That´s the difficult question where also many Professors of Law (who should know it better than we do) are dividedOriginally posted by Boddington's
The war was part of the serious consequences outlined in a resolution you ought to be aware of.
Professor Warbrick agrees. Not only is there no imminent threat from Iraq, he says, but the UK Government has not demonstrated a link between the regime in Baghdad and any terrorist group who might pose such a threat.
Without a second resolution, he says, it would be unlawful for the UK to use military force against Iraq.Source:"Authorisation by the Security Council for action needs to be explicit," he says.
"The draft resolution does not contain the authority to use force, neither does Resolution 1441.
"Resolution 1441 does talk about 'serious consequences' for Iraq, but the decision on what that means should be reserved for the Security Council.
"It should set precise mandates, time limits, and a mechanism for accountability."
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Maybe for the intelligent French detractors, which represents about 0.1% of the French bashing movement.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And quite frankly, the European objections to US policy (or anti-Americanism if you want to play the name game) is based upon the US's own actions and not ignorant stereotypes (i.e. French bashing).
Actually Sava, French bashing is also based upon France's own actions (actively trying to get the US's proposal to fail, instead of simply just saying they disagreed... something that allies shouldn't normally do).To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The war was clearly legal. Despite what a small group of lawyers who may have The Guardians ear may wish to believe. The vast majority of international law experts have repeatedly said it was legal.
Tassadar: Your question is really weather or not it was moral. That is a subject for debate.
Dissident: The US is not in violation of security council resolutions and therefore cannot be subject to sanction by that body.
Ming: Right on with Chirac comment!
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hi ,
if one believes this war was "illegal" , ......
well then so was the fight against the british when the US was born , ....
why would the us have to face sanctions for doing something the whole world is afraid off , ...
they all ready have some "sanctions" from the eu who has lifted some tax on certain goods like steel , .....
lets hope the us of a liberates the eu really fast 
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There are no recognized laws regarding the legality of war. It's a question of morality, not law.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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It would have been immoral not to free the Iraqi people.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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hi ,Originally posted by Boddington's
It would have been immoral not to free the Iraqi people.
darn right , the U do Nothing was not going to do it , .....
lets hope the US gets a bit involved in africa also to stop the genocides there , ....
where would we be today without the US of A , ......
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- LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
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