Why Capitalists are Capitalists...

[GePap]

Originally posted by JohnT
"You have a right to haveand own pirvate porperty: none said you have a right to keep it."



Redefining age-old words again, are we? What is it with you guys?

Main Entry: 2own
Date: before 12th century
transitive senses
1 a : to have or hold as property : POSSESS b : to have power over : CONTROL

So, we have the right to "own" something but we don't have the right to "have" it?

Hmmm.. lets say you make an investement with your property. The investement was wrong, your risk failed, you lose it. Is that loss of possesion wrong? Would any of you think it wrong?

So case b. You are incapable personally or by hiring someone to protect a good you own, so somone takes it. Is your weakenss or stupidity to be rewarded in this situation?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Students can work together to learn probably better than they would learn from a teacher especially with the new technology.

I'd love to see that classroom!

[Kidlicious]

Gepap,

You nailed it. Stealing is beneficial to the individual and they promote the system that benefits the individual.

[DinoDoc]

This thread just gets wierder as it goes along. Though I am tempted to take the computer(s) away from the people who don't believe they have the right to keep private property.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It's idiotic thinking like this that forces me to deal with crap systems like Mallard.

Are you a teacher?

[Velociryx]

Because might does not make right.

We punish theivery because the thief did nothing to create or enhance the value of that which is stolen. All the theif did was prove that posession is 9/10th's of the law.

Same with civic equality. Might does not make right. It's as simple as that.

Civic equality establishes that everyone has the right to own property, and that his/her property is protected.

What you DO with that property....how you use it to create wealth for yourself....that's up to you. Your choice. Your decision.

Make a good decision, work hard at it, and the market will reward you with money.

Make a poor decision or choose not to work at it, and the market will deny you money.

Making good decisions and working hard come with a built in reward. Betterment. The downside is that you don't have as much free time to enjoy your betterment until you have amassed a fortune of sufficient size that you can stop working altogether.

Electing not to play the game comes with its own rewards too....more free time. It carries with it the downside that, although you are swimming in free time, you lack the money to do anything with it, and comes with the disadvantage that you are at the mercy of those with more, relying on charity and government subsidy to get you by.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This thread just gets wierder as it goes along. Though I am tempted to take the computer(s) away from the people who don't believe they have the right to keep private property.

I don't think anyone is against the ownership of personal property. I'm not sharing my toothbrush with you.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Are you a teacher?

I'm a student.

[GePap]

I am trying to make a case in the negative. People in this thread are ready to denounce one system becuase according to them is based on envy, greed, sloth and anger and praise another system built on envy, greed, lust, pride and gluttony.

I simply find something just a bit odd in that.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm not sharing my toothbrush with you.

Why the hell not? It's not like you believe you have the right to keep it. Or am I confusing you with GePap?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Because might does not make right.

Does

[JohnT]

And that, in the end, is the Communist justification for suppression of the individual. "I have the gun and you don't, therefore I'm right."

And you really don't see how monsterous that is? Really?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Or am I confusing you with GePap?

Maybe, I'm not against private ownership just the private ownership of the means of production.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by JohnT
And that, in the end, is the Communist justification for suppression of the individual. "I have the gun and you don't, therefore I'm right."

And you really don't see how monsterous that is? Really?

It's the same way the capitalist system is justified.

[Velociryx]

Thank you, Kid.

That ended the debate for me.

Capitalists win.

Communism, per the chief debator for the other side, IS a bully's system where might makes right, and the price for economic marginality is the subversion of self.



-=Vel=-