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[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I'm sorry, I'd think that 1/3rd of your population supporting the enemy would be more of a scale than one regiment from every state.

But it was. The South spent the entire war quashing rebellions from unionists, a constant headache to Jeff Davis, considering the South's secession arguments. Every Southern state with the exception of South Carolina experienced uprisings. Numerous counties refused to secede, and others declared their own independence from the CSA.

By the time they were losing the war, Davis couldn't raise troops anymore because the various states simply refused to send them. This led Davis to curse one of the supposed cornerstones of the South--States' Rights.

Won't get that kind of picture on markers.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lonestar
So? If he was as great a Calvery Commander as everyone says, Shermans supply lines would have been severed, and the army would have had to really live off the land.

Sherman was picking up Southern defectors left and right. It got to a point where he had to turn away thousands who wanted to join him on his march to the sea (most of whom tended to be black slaves, naturally).

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Sherman was picking up Southern defectors left and right. It got to a point where he had to turn away thousands who wanted to join him on his march to the sea (most of whom tended to be black slaves, naturally).

that would fall under the Unionst deal.

Unfortunately, retreating Confederate troops had a tendeancy to burn stuff.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Won't get that kind of picture on markers.

Like I said, are you going to find how American patriots tarred and feathered English tax collectors (ie, TERRORISM) on historical markers.

If he was as great a Calvery Commander as everyone says, Shermans supply lines would have been severed, and the army would have had to really live off the land.

Might as well wait for MtG to straighten you out, but Forrest is considered the greatest calvery commander of the war. Sheridan and Stuart are the only ones even in the same class as him.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why? Because it happened Ft Pillow doesn't even *mention* the massacre! The effects should be mentioned, along with the Massacre. There is no "fair and Balanced" view of Forrest, it's all "He was a hero".

Yeah, because all of the hate towards Nathan Bedford Forrest just isn't around. It just... doesn't exist. Suuure.. I mean really, there are few others who are loathed as much in American textbooks (Bendict Arnold being closest).

My point is the Torie problem is mentioned in Textbooks and on the landscape. The Unionst issue isn't.

Really? Then why do most Americans not seem to think there was any opposition on home soil during the revolution? The Tory problem was mentioned maybe only in passing in my high school history books. No more than two lines.

The Unionist problem in the South was also mentioned in my text books and given the same amount of time as the Tory problem.

You, as a law student, are giving your blessing for distorting the past?

So, am I correct in assuming that you want historical markers to say how Americans engaged in terrorism up and down the east coast? Or do you want to distort the past? Is that it?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Won't get that kind of picture on markers.

Like I said, are you going to find how American patriots tarred and feathered English tax collectors (ie, TERRORISM) on historical markers.

You'll find them all over, say, Colonial Williamsburg!

I've also seen Torie markers in north Carolina.

Might as well wait for MtG to straighten you out, but Forrest is considered the greatest calvery commander of the war. Sheridan and Stuart are the only ones even in the same class as him.

Might as well. I was unaware I said he was a crappy Calvery fighter. I'm of the opinion that ole "Hit-em Again" was a great Calvery type, but not the invincible warrior History Markers portray him as.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You'll find them all over, say, Colonial Williamsburg!

When I went to Colonial Williamsburg, I never noticed tarring and feathering of loyalists and burning down their homes .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Btw, just for curiousity, how many historical markers are there for areas where Americans slaughtered Native American tribes?.... just wondering.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Yeah, because all of the hate towards Nathan Bedford Forrest just isn't around. It just... doesn't exist. Suuure.. I mean really, there are few others who are loathed as much in American textbooks (Bendict Arnold being closest).

You wouldn't get that impression from Tennesse historical Markers.

Really? Then why do most Americans not seem to think there was any opposition on home soil during the revolution? The Tory problem was mentioned maybe only in passing in my high school history books. No more than two lines.

And pro-unionsts were mentioned not at all.

The Unionist problem in the South was also mentioned in my text books and given the same amount of time as the Tory problem.

You must have a different History Textbook than I did. The only Pro-unionsts mentioned in my books were, of course, the Blacks.

So, am I correct in assuming that you want historical markers to say how Americans engaged in terrorism up and down the east coast? Or do you want to distort the past? Is that it?

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[Imran Siddiqui]

You wouldn't get that impression from Tennesse historical Markers.

Which are there to celebrate the victories. Why would a state put up markers saying how bad it was? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

You must have a different History Textbook than I did. The only Pro-unionsts mentioned in my books were, of course, the Blacks.

I distinctly reading about brigades from Virginia, Louisiana, and the Carolinas coming up through the newly created West Virginia (ALSO showing pro-unionist sentiment in the South) to join the Union cause.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

You'll find them all over, say, Colonial Williamsburg!

When I went to Colonial Williamsburg, I never noticed tarring and feathering of loyalists and burning down their homes .

You need a lifetime membership, like me.

To answer your Native American question; Not nearly enough. Places like "Devils Tower" in Wyohming (from Close Encounters) have been stripped of their Native names mostly because of their spiritual importance.

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