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  • #61
    Originally posted by Sava
    you damn commie!
    Not really. We've only had 200 years of real technological growth. I doubt it would compare to a race which has had 10's of thousands of years to create technology.

    Read my damn thesis.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #62
      They would grab a really hot blonde, who would be a real screamer. Hearing the screams, a hero would save her. Then the hero and blonde would kiss, and, we must assume, go straight to "the beast with two backs" routine.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Lonestar
        No Competition= slow growth.

        Remember, Nescessity is the Mother of All Invention. In the WorldWar series, the Race's Invasion force had became so "flexible" by Race standards, they were treated with contempt when the Colonists arrived. Eventually the colonists started to change too, and Earth (Tosev) was treated with contempt by the rest of the Empire.

        (They have sublight speeds, the Homeworld is Tau Ceti)
        Not really. Where was the competition inherent for, lets say, the Chinese after the emperors took over? The only times in which urban societies have stopped innovating, at leats in human history, is when political forces step in to squash innovation, in order to maintain the status quo. Europe saw a huge burst of innovation only in the last 500 years, which also happen to be the same time when vast new resources came into play. I think it could be argued that it was not the wars of Europe at this timet fed innovation, but that the innovations of the time fed the wars, since new spoils and new reasons to fight kept coming up.

        Because their planets Were large Desert planets with not much in the way of natural barriers. As a result, their culture unified and Homogenizaed fairly early.


        HGuan cultures of the great plains of NA and Asia, while sharing very similar economic lvelyhoods, never "homogenized", as such, even without huge barriers like mountains and so forth.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by GePap


          Not really. Where was the competition inherent for, lets say, the Chinese after the emperors took over? The only times in which urban societies have stopped innovating, at leats in human history, is when political forces step in to squash innovation, in order to maintain the status quo. Europe saw a huge burst of innovation only in the last 500 years, which also happen to be the same time when vast new resources came into play. I think it could be argued that it was not the wars of Europe at this timet fed innovation, but that the innovations of the time fed the wars, since new spoils and new reasons to fight kept coming up.
          But they never had no competitors at all. And they were at 21st leve tech (at least)

          HGuan cultures of the great plains of NA and Asia, while sharing very similar economic lvelyhoods, never "homogenized", as such, even without huge barriers like mountains and so forth.
          See above.
          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Lonestar
            Read my damn thesis.
            I did...

            I think that situation is more fiction than science. It doesn't make much sense, nor is that kind of situation really practical. I'm sure it's a good story, but I doubt it would occur.
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #66
              Also, this race is a group of Reptiliods who mate by "Seasons", otherwise they are not aroused at all.
              Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Lonestar
                But they never had no competitors at all. And they were at 21st leve tech (at least)
                What about nature and the elements? And they never had any internal political strife whatsoever?

                See, this is the problem. We assume that something that may (may) be true for humans would be true for an alien race. So if the are "not passionate" and have "no political competition" then advancement MUST be slow. Well, that might make sense, to a HUMAN mind, but there is no objective reason why it would be true to a NONHUMAN and utterly NONTERRAN sentient being.

                This is one of the reasons I ike Lem so much. He never write aliens, if only becuase he accepts that as a human, how could he write aliens? They are ALIEN.
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                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Lonestar
                  Also, this race is a group of Reptiliods who mate by "Seasons", otherwise they are not aroused at all.
                  How many offspring do they have each mating season?
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #69
                    I think they would do more or less what we would do if the situation was reversed. As we are the only such species known to us, it is logical to base our assumptions of other species off of ourselves.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by GePap


                      What about nature and the elements? And they never had any internal political strife whatsoever?

                      See, this is the problem. We assume that something that may (may) be true for humans would be true for an alien race. So if the are "not passionate" and have "no political competition" then advancement MUST be slow. Well, that might make sense, to a HUMAN mind, but there is no objective reason why it would be true to a NONHUMAN and utterly NONTERRAN sentient being.

                      This is one of the reasons I ike Lem so much. He never write aliens, if only becuase he accepts that as a human, how could he write aliens? They are ALIEN.
                      They have no real internal Political strife. They have an "Emperor WorshiP" system similiar to pre WW2 Japan.

                      Most of the series is from the Aliens' point of view, and they think that Humanity is "anomalous" because we're the 3rd race they've met, and we're the only Mammalian/always in season sentient race they've encountered.

                      So, if you were an alien and you'd encountered two previous races remarkably similiar to your own, what conclusion would YOU reach?
                      Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Sava
                        How many offspring do they have each mating season?
                        2 or 3 appears to be the norm.
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • #72
                          Actually, that is an utterly illogical assumption, given how even two different human beings can so utterly msunderstand one another.
                          If you don't like reality, change it! me
                          "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                          "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                          "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Lonestar
                            So, if you were an alien and you'd encountered two previous races remarkably similiar to your own, what conclusion would YOU reach?
                            I would question why the firts two races we met were like ours. That is the great annomily. And why did this race ever get to space travel? If you don;t advance, you simply don;t advance. i think it very unlikely that the Aborigenes of Australia, given a million years of thier lifestyle, would make it to space, if only becuase the need to ever do anything that might lead to space would never be there.
                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Lonestar
                              2 or 3 appears to be the norm.
                              If they do not produce offspring that fast, they would die out.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #75
                                Extraterrestrial life does not exist. So, the question is mute!
                                'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                                G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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