Attention gay folks!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Zylka
Alright, so back to my RED HERRING of marginal importance - what's the big deal with marrying a family member? Love can be that much the same as with two men, and if even a surgical agreement barring reproduction would be accepted by one half - there is no argument against it. I just find it arrogant thiat two men loving each other sexually is ok, while incest is arbitrarily perverted

(I WANT TO MARRY MY COUSIN)

So, you tell me: Outside of the possible genetic deformities in pregnancy, what's wrong with incest? Also try to avoid circular reasoning (i.e. "it's wrong because it's wrong"). How do those equate to the status of homosexuality vis-a-vis marriage, since you seem to like comparing them. Are homosexual relationships no different than incestual ones?

Until about 100 years ago, marrying one's cousin was considered acceptable and was, indeed, a common practice. What changed that makes it wrong now? Does that somehow apply to homosexuals?

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation (whether biological or environmental in origin, it is not chosen). Is there an "incestual" orientation? If someone can't marry his cousin, does that mean he can't marry anyone else whom he might be attracted to physically and emotionally who isn't his relative?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Zylka
...because the gay population sees it as "repugnant", and will often pretend otherwise in validating their own position.

When did you poll the entire gay population?

[TCO]

Nothings wrong with incest. It's just a taboo. Sure you may make crappy kids that way. but homoxesuals won't make kids either. Nor will couples where the woman is past menopause. We need to get rid of the concept of marriage. It is passe.

[Zylka]

Those questions most likely point out your inability to notice that I would indeed like to marry my wonderful cousin if we eventually fell in love (but am not allowed). Along those lines, and from what I can tell - incest is as well a sexual orientation if you are physically and emotionally attracted to a relative



One can have the orientations of heterosexuality, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, and beastiality all at once - it's just up to each perception to so create, and each individual to socially accept or deny the validity of the concept. I think *we* can all disagree on recognizing pedophilia and beatiality as moral or socially acceptable (on subjective terms, nonetheless - anyone want to play fraudulant semantics?). I have a hard time with gay marriages as the invasion of a foreign institution, but do accept homosexuality - slipping often at my own admitted faults and fears. Yet thus far, several homosexual posters have seperately dismissed incest as "a red herring", ammunition worthy to "crap on [...] people", "repugnant", and another I can't recall.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GP
Nothings wrong with incest. It's just a taboo.

Depends on the nature of the incest. Between cousins? No, nothing really wrong. But closer to that, things get dicey.

First of all, parent/offspring incest involves a power dynamic that can't be ignored. Considering the kind of influence a parent can wield over their offspring, even when said offspring is an adult, such relationships are going to be bad, bad news. It is an abuse of authority, in my opinion. This would also apply to aunts/uncles with their nieces/nephews, grandparents (eew!), and the like.

To a lesser extent, the same is true of sibling couplings. Most siblings I know have a power dynamic as well, and the older sibling tend to be able to manipulate the younger ones. The greater the age difference, the more true this is. Most people tend to go through periods of being in awe of their older siblings. Again, I think this is a bad thing.

[Zylka]

Oh, and if those upstanding chaps from "The Importance of Being Ernest" can marry their cousins... it MUST be ok!

Well, I gather at least one of the couples weren't actually cousins... but society still accepted the presented reality. Same thing!!!

[Boris Godunov]

The Bible condones incest. Go to town.

[Zylka]

Although that is surprising, I don't much care of the Bible's thoughts on this matter. I care of yours - and even you seem patronizing in accepting my proposed way of life

[Boris Godunov]

How so? Didn't I explicitly say I didn't find anything wrong with cousins having a relationship?

[Giancarlo]

Hey on the topic of homosexuality.. look at this article I stumbled upon..

http://www.msnbc.com/news/924401.asp

Heheheh.. good news indeed... Seems like gay teen couples are being accepted more readily in proms... Makes me smile to hear it...

[TCO]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Depends on the nature of the incest. Between cousins? No, nothing really wrong. But closer to that, things get dicey.

First of all, parent/offspring incest involves a power dynamic that can't be ignored. Considering the kind of influence a parent can wield over their offspring, even when said offspring is an adult, such relationships are going to be bad, bad news. It is an abuse of authority, in my opinion. This would also apply to aunts/uncles with their nieces/nephews, grandparents (eew!), and the like.

To a lesser extent, the same is true of sibling couplings. Most siblings I know have a power dynamic as well, and the older sibling tend to be able to manipulate the younger ones. The greater the age difference, the more true this is. Most people tend to go through periods of being in awe of their older siblings. Again, I think this is a bad thing.

Nothing wrong with a little power dynamic. Lots of husbands and wifes have this. Heck, what if one part of the gay couple is a total bottom?

But anyway as long as it is consensual adults, who cares about the "dynamic"? We all make our own choices. It's a free country.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by GP


Nothing wrong with a little power dynamic. Lots of husbands and wifes have this. Heck, what if one part of the gay couple is a total bottom?

Well in some gay relationships, well at least mine me and my SO switch roles.

Was that too much information?

[TCO]

Originally posted by Fez


Well in some gay relationships, well at least mine me and my SO switch roles.

Was that too much information?

I think when you sent out your photos that was too much info...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by GP


I think when you sent out your photos that was too much info...

I don't pull that type of nonsense anymore.. No way.. not to total strangers..

[Asher]

Originally posted by Fez
Well in some gay relationships, well at least mine me and my SO switch roles.

That is so ridiculous...