The British Empire

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Had the US not been involved, the Western stalemate would have been as such in slight disfavour of Germany, nothing like the Versailles humiliation indeed.

So even Versailles was the US fault!!

(Sorry Spiffor, couldn't resist.)

[anarchywrksbest]

British Empire didnt need America, they had INDIA. At the time a much better prize

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Tolls
WW1...my fave...

The British army of 1918 was a considerably better force than previously. If morale was so low then how come we managed to stand against the German assaults in March and April? Similarly with the French. The restructuring of allied command under Foch changed the war far more than the appearance of the US.

How do you explain the fact the entire 5th British Army was wiped out until German's "Fruehjahrs Offensive" in 1918. They picked the Brits not because they were good. Ludendorff's crucial mistake was to open a second front against the French so you guys caught some breadth meanwhile. Had the Germans kept pounding at the British force, they might have won.

Finally a stalemate in the West would have been a disaster for Germany, which is why they tried to win outright in 1918. A stalemate would have ended with a German revolution in 1919 through starvation, even with the Ukraine, never mind the shakiness of Austria-Hungary.

A stalemate meant a victory for the Germans. Their conquest in the East was more than enough to supply their food. Socialists would never have a chance.

As for unlimited weapons, the entente provided all its own weaponry, and a lot of the US ones as well. To the extent that the British and French forces had to cut the number of horses per supply carriage so that they could give the distinctly ill-equipped US army some.

In 1914, the US had 40% of the world's total industrial production and at least twice the population of Germany. With an ally like that, the Entente had essentially unlimited weapon supply compared to the Central Powers.

[Lord Merciless]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The British Empire

Originally posted by Spiffor

You mean, by the time the Brits actively entered the conflict ?

Without the US, the most likely outcome of WW1 would have been a stalemate in the West (maybe in slight disfavour of the Germans because their army was even more demoralized than the western ones), and a crushing of Austria-Hungary + Russia.

Without the Brits, the war would have been won by Germany, but France would have put up a serious fight, and the territory loss for France wouldn't have been too terrible. Actually, France would have lost because of inferior navy and too high mobility of German troops on sea.

I meant that Germany would certainly win WW1 if the US and UK were not involved.

I also don't think that the French would put up much fight. The reason: Schlieffen Plan. With the BEF threatening on German right flank, the German forces were forced to deploy more forces than expected to cover their flank and thus gave the French time to regroup.

It won't matter in the end though: the French would have been bled dry at Verdun.

[Gangerolf]

Of course it was good. It's the White Man's Burden to bring Commerce, Christianity and Civilisation to the savages, and that the British Empire did.

[Boris Godunov]

Yes, just look at how civilized, wealthy and Christian all the former African colonies are!

[Ecthy]

1. Where is Niue?

2. Boris, please. We are just sending 1400 men there to warrant exactly those values

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
2. Boris, please. We are just sending 1400 men there to warrant exactly those values

Not sure what you're trying to say, mein Herr, but Congo isn't a former British colony!

[Gangerolf]

well if they still were colonies things could have been different

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Yes, just look at how civilized, wealthy and Christian all the former African colonies are!

That happens because the imperialist powers failed to live up to their ideals.

It's more an issue of competence and commitment, rather than intention.

[Gangerolf]

niue is somewhere in the south pacific

[Ecthy]

The point was what white man did in Africa, not what the Brits did. Read before think, think before post.

[Ecthy]

And Ganger-Olf was being ironic anyway.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
The point was what white man did in Africa, not what the Brits did. Read before think, think before post.

The thread is about what the Brits did, and that's what gangerwolf was referring to. So you think next time! And learn the proper use of "warrant!"

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Repeat after Serb: Russia is the mightiest nation the planet has ever seen. Their leaders were all inspired geniuses, there have NEVER been any mass deaths or persecutions of Rus citizens by their enlightened leaders (all American Hollywood hype, cos you know....we have nothing better to do), EVERY modern invention stems from Mother Russia, Russian equipment is, bar none, the BEST in the world....everything from commercial airplanes to tanks to rifles to toasters. That's why we se so many Russian brand names on our shelves, you see, and why so many European airlines use those Russian-made jets!

All hail Mother Russia!!!!!

-=Vel=-
PS: Oh, and in a similar vein, the USA really IS the Great Satan, responsible for every ill the world has known since about 1776. Every time a world leader catches a cold or has an attack of gas....yep....that would be the fault of the pigs in the USA....