The British Empire

[Serb]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The British Empire

Originally posted by Cruddy


Ah, but the birth of the US was the FAILURE of the Brit Empire, wasn't it Serb?

Yes it was, but in the first place- if there were no British colonists and British setlements on North American continent they would never declared independence and would never formed their own state.

That's like blaming the US for the Khmer Rouge. Or the USSR for the Taliban.

Of course you can't blame USSR for Taliban. All credit for this goes to USA and CIA.

To get back on topic, I'd say that the balance was SLIGHTLY positive, but only in the context of when it was all finished. It was certainly an unjust and rapacious system while it flourished (to the majority of the population of the UK, as well as the overseas "subjects").

Ok, I must admit, you Brits had outstanding Empire. Good, bad, who cares now? As Mr. President said- "It simply was."

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

The overall share of American equipment used by Soviets was 5%.

Source? My BS detector is reading some high levels on that statement.

My BS detector always brakes when I read your trolls.

[Az]

this is not becoming a lend-lease thread.......

DF, when you say "without" do you mean having Britian as just another country, or do you mean Britian dissappearing from the face of the planet alltogether?

In any case, I am inclined to answer moderately positive.

[Drake Tungsten]

My BS detector always brakes when I read your trools.

So you have no proof for your lies then? I thought as much.

Here's what the actual percentages of vital equipment supplied to the Soviets by us Americans.

80% of all canned meat.
92% of all railroad locomotives, rolling stock and rails.
57% of all aviation fuel.
53% of all explosives.
74% of all truck transport.
88% of all radio equipment.
53% of all copper.
56% of all aluminum.
60+% of all automotive fuel.
74% of all vehicle tires.
12% of all armored vehicles.
14% of all combat aircraft.

Try beating the Germans without that.

[Serb]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The British Empire

Originally posted by Lord Merciless




Who's talking about WW2? I'm talking about WW1, you silly person. You and your Frenchie friends alone never had a chance against the German and Austrian might. The war would be over in 1915.
Let's see what happened during that summer: Germans were tied up mostly in Somme, a British initiated offensive. Brusilov sneaked upon some wimpy Austrians and advanced about 50 kilometers. Germany then deployed just one army group from Verdun and your offensive was stopped cold. The Russian loss was just as heavy as the Austrian-German loss.

BS.
Russians lost 500 000 while Austrian-German loss was 1,5 million. They advanced 80-150 km, not 50. Consider they broke heavily fortified defensive positions while were outnumbered by enemy who was in defense it was pretty good result.
Now back to your claim. In which battle or offensive campaign American army caused at least aproximately equal casualties to Austrian-German army? In which year?
Please educate me.

Despite Americans entering the war in the following year and supporting the Entente with almost unlimited weapons, you Russkies still collapsed in 1917. Germans occupied the entire Belarus and Ukraine before the commies fell to their knees.

They occupied it because of revolution. The revolution which started not in 1917, but 12 years earlier. Entire system wasn't good anymore. People wanted for changes since 1905 and they gained those changes in 1917. And this war wasn't a major factor for victory of Bolshevick's revolution. It was only one of them.

[Az]

Serb: If you think that the Russians were winning in WWI you're deluded.

[Drake Tungsten]

Serb: If you think that the Russians were winning in WWI you're deluded.

Azazel's the hammer. There's the nail. Bam! Right on the head.

[Az]

I'd tell you my opinion of your opinion on Lend-Lease, but I am just punishing Serb for threadjacking.

[Kramerman]

Serb wil never change

Russia! Russia! Russia!

[TheStinger]

I don't agree with sebs position on WW2 but I cab understand it, but in WW1 Russia was trounced.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Mr. President
It was neither positive nor negative. It simply was.

sounds good to me

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

My BS detector always brakes when I read your trools.

So you have no proof for your lies then? I thought as much.

Here's what the actual percentages of vital equipment supplied to the Soviets by us Americans.

80% of all canned meat.

Of very low quality.

92% of all railroad locomotives, rolling stock and rails.

OF NEWLY BUILD locomotives. Why you or DF never shows data about the share of American locomotives in entire number of locomotives used in Soviet Union?

88% of all radio equipment.12% of all armored vehicles.
14% of all combat aircraft.

Probably true. At least this looks reasonable enough.

57% of all aviation fuel.
53% of all explosives.
53% of all copper.
56% of all aluminum.
60+% of all automotive fuel.

Plain bullsh!t.

74% of all truck transport.
74% of all vehicle tires.

Yeah right. 74% of trucks and exactly 74% of tires. Smells as bs.

Try beating the Germans without that.

Try beating Germans only with that. What about many, many, many, many, many other things we produced by ourselves.
You do noy understand the most important thing. We FOUGHT FOR YOU. Germany declared war on you not othervise. and while you more probable gave 88% of radio equipment to Soviets, how it could be compared to millions of lives that Soviet people sacrificed to achieve this victory. The victory over not only our enemy but your enemy as well. Instead of this equipment you send, it would be much helpfull to launch a second front against common enemy. You prefered to wait untill Russian will do all dirty work and disambarked only in 1944 when it was absolutely clear that if you wouldn't then Soviets will take entire Europe.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kramerman


Serb wil never change

Why should I?

Russia! Russia! Russia!

Exactly!!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel
Serb: If you think that the Russians were winning in WWI you're deluded.

Who said winning? I said it's pure bs to say that "Americans saved Russian asses" in WW1 and that without Yanks Russian would speak German now.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel
I'd tell you my opinion of your opinion on Lend-Lease,

Please tell your opinion and then I'll tell you my opinion about your opinion about his opinion about Lend-Lease.

but I am just punishing Serb for threadjacking.

This thread isn't about Lend-Lease? Strange I thought David Floyd started it...weird, really weird.