Wolfowitz has a big mouth

[OneFootInTheGrave]

and that Wolfowitz knows that Iraq floats on oil

but for Guardian this was clearly misleading... and it is on their main page

[Kidlicious]

Oh well, they won't be getting much oil out of there anytime soon. Looters are attacking the oil production sites now. The real failure of the Bush administration is governing Iraq.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Well the quote was correct. The headline was almost Foxesque.

the actual quote said "no economic options" The guardian quote said "no choice" From the Guardian quote one coud infer that we had no choice, cause we needed the oil, and iraq had it. The actual quote makes clear that we had no economic option - ie no economic leverage, in contrast to Korea.

So not only does the headline state as fact the most one of the most controversial assertions about the whole war, entirely unsupported by the actual quote, but they did get the quote wrong, in a way that obscures how unsupported their headline is.

[Victor Galis]

Pravda's headline and accompanying picture was better.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
and that Wolfowitz knows that Iraq floats on oil

but for Guardian this was clearly misleading... and it is on their main page

you seem surprised.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
calm down guys - it was taken out of context.

He was asked why economic sanctions would work against North Korea, but not against Iraq - we didnt have economic options against Iraq, its swimming on a sea of oil.


IE Iraq could smuggle out oil and defeat sanctions, while Nkor depends on imported oil.
Which any fool could see.

If Iraq could smuggle oil, it would certainly be a lot easier for the DPRK to smuggle missiles and missile technology (less mass, less number of shipments needed).

The failure of sanctions against Iraq due to all that oil sure was evident by the way the Iraqis managed to rearm themselves so heavily during the period of sanctions.

But this is a pleasant diversion from contemplating the mass grave of 200 Kurdish children that has just been discovered.

Actually, that's the diversion. How long has it been since there's been a debate on whether Saddam was a murdering *******? Oh, about the last time there was a debate on the color of the sky on a clear day.

[Arrian]

Typical Guardian.



-Arrian

[Victor Galis]

I tracked down the problem. The Guardian cites Die Welt as one of its sources. They simply took Wolfowitz quote, as translated into German back into English:

"Betrachten wir es einmal ganz simpel. Der wichtigste Unterschied zwischen Nordkorea und dem Irak ist der, dass wir wirtschaftlich einfach keine Wahl im Irak hatten. Das Land schwimmt auf einem Meer von Öl."

Needless to say, the translation was different than the original. I think the Guardian was not trying to be misleading, it's just they carried a story that came from a foreign source and translated the quote.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, that's the diversion. How long has it been since there's been a debate on whether Saddam was a murdering *******? Oh, about the last time there was a debate on the color of the sky on a clear day.

Theres new evidence almost every day about the nature of the regime. Its a lot more newsworthy than the wolfie quote.

pre-war we were told that you cant go around attacking every murdering bastard. and how hypocritical we were cause of east timor, or gaza, or wherever you care to name. Therefore the EXTENT of the murderousness of this regime is relevant.

Not just killing. Mass killing. 200. Children. Not adults, children. And id bet money they werent killed while throwing stones.

[Arrian]

I might believe that for another newspaper. But the Guardian? Based on their track record, I'd say they knew EXACTLY what they were doing. I've come to expect stuff like this of them.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


If Iraq could smuggle oil, it would certainly be a lot easier for the DPRK to smuggle missiles and missile technology (less mass, less number of shipments needed).

The failure of sanctions against Iraq due to all that oil sure was evident by the way the Iraqis managed to rearm themselves so heavily during the period of sanctions.

dont know if there is as deep a market for missiles as for oil. also Nkor has only 2 land borders - china and skor - neither as porous as Iraqs with Jordan, Syria, Turkey, and Iran.

Iraq managed to stay afloat, if not to rearm (conventionally at least) Nkor is on point of starvation now, even without sanctions.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
I tracked down the problem. The Guardian cites Die Welt as one of its sources. They simply took Wolfowitz quote, as translated into German back into English:



Needless to say, the translation was different than the original. I think the Guardian was not trying to be misleading, it's just they carried a story that came from a foreign source and translated the quote.

they published a pretty inflamatory headline, to not check on the original.

[monkspider]

Well this news finally puts an end to the question at least.

[lord of the mark]

from the herald sun:


'A MASS grave containing the remains of 200 Kurdish children has been discovered in the northern Iraqi province of Kirkuk, the Kurdish newspaper Taakhi reported today.

"Citizens discovered on May 30 a communal grave close to Debs, in Kirkuk. But this is different from other mass graves discovered since the fall of Saddam Hussein's terrorist regime because it contains the remains of 200 child victims of the repression of the Kurdish uprising" in 1991, the paper said.
"Even dolls were buried with the children," it said.

Dozens of mass graves have been uncovered all over Iraq since Saddam's ouster by invading US-led forces on April 9. '

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by monkspider
Well this news finally puts an end to the question at least.

puts an end to what question?