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  • #31
    Yeah, where do people get these ideas?



    The BNP - a party of convictions

    Who says today's politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them - all of a criminal nature. Despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:
    Nick Griffin (Party Chairman). Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine, The Rune, carried obscene antisemitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.
    Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of home-made hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three years' imprisonment.
    In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years' imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.
    Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
    John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment.
    Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.
    Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser). Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.
    Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.
    Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.
    BNP and football hooliganism
    Many BNP supporters are also involved in football hooliganism.
    Several people who stood for the BNP in the 1999 European elections in Scotland are convicted Glasgow Rangers hooligans.
    The BNP organiser for Darlington, Paul Thompson, has a conviction for football violence.
    The Swansea BNP organiser, Andrew Toose, is a leading Swansea hooligan. At a recent BNP meeting in Swansea, 15 of the 25 people present were hooligans.
    Chris Jackson, a BNP organsier and candidate in the North West, was a Leeds hooligan.
    No one should be surprised as the BNP has often promoted violence. In 1991, the BNP newspaper gloated after several BNP supporters stabbed an African immigrant at London Bridge station. The victim had his "kidney surgically removed", the paper boasted. In the same year, the BNP leadership whipped up a racist riot in Bermondsey, London, and led an attack on an anti-racist meeting held to protest against the BNP headquarters in Welling. Thirteen people needed hospital treatment.
    Combat 18 was initially launched as a stewarding group for the BNP. C18 supporters went on to post letter bombs, instigate football violence and carry out dozens of racist attacks.
    Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
    Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
    We've got both kinds

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MikeH
      Yeah, where do people get these ideas?



      The BNP - a party of convictions

      Who says today's politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them - all of a criminal nature. Despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:
      Nick Griffin (Party Chairman). Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine, The Rune, carried obscene antisemitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.
      Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of home-made hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three years' imprisonment.
      In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years' imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.
      Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.
      John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment.
      Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.
      Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser). Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.
      Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.
      Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.
      BNP and football hooliganism
      Many BNP supporters are also involved in football hooliganism.
      Several people who stood for the BNP in the 1999 European elections in Scotland are convicted Glasgow Rangers hooligans.
      The BNP organiser for Darlington, Paul Thompson, has a conviction for football violence.
      The Swansea BNP organiser, Andrew Toose, is a leading Swansea hooligan. At a recent BNP meeting in Swansea, 15 of the 25 people present were hooligans.
      Chris Jackson, a BNP organsier and candidate in the North West, was a Leeds hooligan.
      No one should be surprised as the BNP has often promoted violence. In 1991, the BNP newspaper gloated after several BNP supporters stabbed an African immigrant at London Bridge station. The victim had his "kidney surgically removed", the paper boasted. In the same year, the BNP leadership whipped up a racist riot in Bermondsey, London, and led an attack on an anti-racist meeting held to protest against the BNP headquarters in Welling. Thirteen people needed hospital treatment.
      Combat 18 was initially launched as a stewarding group for the BNP. C18 supporters went on to post letter bombs, instigate football violence and carry out dozens of racist attacks.
      Ouch. You've got your work cut out for you, Spink.
      "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

      Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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      • #33
        And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Boddington's
          And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?
          Well apparently there's enough of them to have Griffin as Chairman.
          "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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          • #35
            How about Mike provides us with a list of crimes committed against BNP members then. Just for equality, Mike?

            And how about a link to validate those claims? Any of them could be fabricated.
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            • #36
              Here's some stuff from the Anti Nazi League:



              Here is the BBC report into how the BNP has tried to change their image in the last couple of years, quite fair I think. If anything it goes too easy on them:



              For American readers there is a thing about US links:

              Controversial author

              Nick Griffin addresses the American Friends, with David Duke on his right

              Nick Griffin: "So, what are we now doing in the British National Party?"
              Links between America and the BNP go back to 1995 when William Pierce addressed the BNP annual rally.Pierce is leader of the neo-nazi National Alliance, America's most hardline racist group. He wrote The Turner Diaries, a fictional account of a race war in the US.
              The book inspired Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber and David Copeland, the London nail bomber.
              David Copeland the nail bomber was actually a BNP party member. (famous for blowing up gay bars with nail bombs)
              Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
              Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
              We've got both kinds

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              • #37
                David Copeland the nail bomber was actually a BNP party member. (famous for blowing up gay bars with nail bombs)
                One or two BNP members do something wrong and you use it to tar the whole party?

                Hang on, let me find evidence of a couple of Lib Dems wrong-doings and let me make a sweeping generalisation as well.
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                • #38
                  That's just the main party bosses Bodds. I couldn't find a list of the convictions of party members, but I'll keep looking if you want. It's probably too long to quote.
                  Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                  Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                  We've got both kinds

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Boddington's
                    And that's out of how many BNP members, Mike..?
                    Thats the leadership, god knows what the plebs get up to
                    Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                    • #40
                      BBC on Griffin:

                      For most of that time he was in the National Front. He was a firm believer in racial separation and in the Jewish global conspiracy. Griffin, like others in the National Front, claimed the Holocaust did not happen.
                      Give it up bitch.
                      "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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                      • #41
                        My Wife is 1/2 Spanish does she have to go back to Spain.
                        Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by TheStinger
                          My Wife is 1/2 Spanish does she have to go back to Spain.
                          Of course! Them Spainish people think they's sooo cool, but really they suck.
                          "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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                          • #43
                            The Holocaust:

                            INT What is your position on the Holocaust then?

                            N.G. My position on the Holocaust is that it's a matter for debate
                            between historians, shouldn't be finished up in court, it should be
                            debated by historians, and that it's got nothing whatsoever to do
                            with politics in the 21st Century. It's entirely wrong that again
                            here come the BBC, you've got a party which is growing in
                            popularity because it stands on many race related issues where the
                            majority of British people stand, so therefore lets throw some mud
                            and lets pull out this thing. Let's forget that Nick Griffin's father
                            fought in the RAF during the Second World War against Hitler
                            and the Nazis, forget that, and just try to imply oh these people
                            they want to deny the Holocaust and that means, which is
                            incredible legal logic, that means they want another one and they
                            want to gas people. It's utter nonsense.

                            INT I'm simply asking you what is your position on the Holocaust. Do
                            you believe that 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis.

                            N.G. I've no doubt that very large numbers were killed. No one
                            specifically says six million. It's described as a symbolic figure.

                            INT So you don't accept six million were killed. I mean would you
                            care to put a figure on the number you believe were killed?

                            N.G. No, I wouldn't' because I'm not a historian.

                            INT So you're not prepared to say how many but you don't believe it
                            was 6 million.

                            N.G. Nobody believes... no one who has actually studied it and none of
                            the official historians of the Holocaust, the..

                            INT I think that is an accepted figure actually, 6 million.

                            N.G. .. It's as a general figure. But fundamentally I regard it as quite
                            irrelevant and wrong that at a time when the British people are
                            going to be a minority in their own homeland in 60 years, in other
                            words we're going to be genocided because that's what it is, at that
                            time along come the liberal media with this big club marked
                            "Holocaust" and bash me over the head with it.

                            INT Yes, but you're not prepared to say how many you believe did die.

                            N.G. Because I don't know.

                            INT You see I think it's a yard stick for a lot of people when they're
                            judging whether a party is racist or not, or indeed has a problem
                            over the Holocaust, there's a yard stick that people use. What do
                            you believe.

                            N.G. I'm saying it's quite irrelevant. I don't know. I don't know.
                            What needs to be given up is the liberal media's demonising of a mainstream party.
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                            • #44
                              What a stupid interviewer. In what way is someone's opinion on exactly how many people died in the Holocaust a yard-stick for racism? If I believe 5 million people died does that make my slightly more racist than someone who believes the figure is 6 million?

                              Anyway, I didn't get NG's equation that immigration into Britain will inevitable lead to the genocide of British people. That doesn't make any sense at all.
                              If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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                              • #45
                                1. BBC isn't liberal
                                2. 6 million is an accepted and well supported figure.
                                3. You still haven't explained why he consistently overlooks racism within his party.
                                "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

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