Watch out, the penguins are a-comin'

[Ted Striker]

Linux is sorta like Digital Audio Tapes or CO2 metal cassettes.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by Asher
I find it nice to have the latest

Ah, music to Mr.Gates' ears.
If most of the world didn't think like this too it would have cost him billions of dollars.
There's nothing wrong with that, of course. Damn smart if you ask me.

[Paul Hanson]

No, he's got a point. It's always nice to have the latest...provided you downloaded it off Kazaa for free.

[Wraith]

--"Windows Server 2003 is, at least theoretically, very very secure right now."

Only because very few people have it. There's already been an announced vulnerability for it, though...

IIRC it was one of those buffer overflows they're supposed to not have any more, too ^_^

Wraith
Don't try to engage my enthusiasm--I haven't got one

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
Where's the article about ChevronTexaco ditching Texaco's 26,000 *nix machines and putting Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP SP1 on them (while upgrading Chevron's 45,000 Windows machines to the latest versions as well)?

Cite?

Originally posted by Asher
And it's 14,000 PCs, government PCs. You're totally out to lunch again about Linux becoming mainstream because of 14,000 government PCs in Germany. But it's great sketch material...

Clearly, a major Western city adopting Linux is insufficient to make it mainstream in the World of Glonk^TM. Of course, you can then explain to me why MS is targeting the OS as its main competitor.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Cite?

Eh, I know 'cause I know the guy upgrading the ones in Canada.
However, this article mentions them as well as the cool EEC.

The first round of EEC testing involved almost 50 customers, all of whom tested Windows Server 2003 upgrades, migrations, and deployments. Customers typically spend two weeks at the EEC--though the Australian tax office was in for almost six weeks--and Microsoft can host up to five customers at the EEC simultaneously. More important, several problems and 650 design changes were made to Windows Server 2003, thanks to input from EEC attendees. And there have already been a number of repeat customers, such as Intel, Siemens, Chevron-Texaco, and Continental Airlines.

"Before the EEC, we were limited in how we could test larger engagements, where more products are involved," Santino told me. "It's amazing how these things interact. Most environments we've tested are heterogeneous. For example, Chevron-Texaco was interesting, because they merged two totally different environments. But Barnes & Nobles was almost pure Microsoft, and there were no conflicts."

Clearly, a major Western city adopting Linux is insufficient to make it mainstream in the World of Glonk^TM.

It is insufficient to make it mainstream in the World of Glonk...it's government PCs in Germany, why is that mainstream in the World of Glonk?

Of course, you can then explain to me why MS is targeting the OS as its main competitor.

What other OS competes for it on the PC?

[Angelo Scotto]

Re: Watch out, the penguins are a-comin'

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
As I predicted last year, the OpenSource movement would slowly gather momentum. This bodes well since Munich is the biggest Western city to make such a move. Beijing, Korea, and some South American counties did it last year, and so did some smaller Western towns and cities.

I truly think that governments should move to Linux, at least for Bureaucracy works.

Like i said in other threads, i don't think Linux is great "technologically speaking" but who needs a on-the-edge OS to print certificates, or to store citizen data?

Governments will get it for free, without having to pay dozen of licenses and cutting down administration costs, and with source codes they will be able to customize the OS and applications for their needs.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

And it's 14,000 PCs, government PCs. You're totally out to lunch again about Linux becoming mainstream because of 14,000 government PCs in Germany. But it's great sketch material...

Clearly, a major Western city adopting Linux is insufficient to make it mainstream in the World of Glonk^TM. Of course, you can then explain to me why MS is targeting the OS as its main competitor.

Erm... tell me, is it realistically possible to post a piece of news and say that it implies that an operating system is becoming mainstream? I mean, things like this don't just happen in a day, they're advancements over the span of years. On the other hand, to claim that a person is "totally out to lunch about Linux becoming mainstream because of 14,000 government PCs in Germany" is also sort of wrong, since news like this can be seen as a part of a trend. What should be reported is not the single cases of governments and businesses here and there switching over, but the global trends. Statistics don't look quite as nice as anecdotes, but at least they're a bit more meaningful.

Linux is the jack of all trades, master of none. That's its failing. It does everything, but that includes all the **** you don't want it to, in ways you'd never think (ever look at the filestructure in 99% of linux installs? Does it make sense to most people? etc)

/me points at the major RPM-based distros and screams: "It's them! They're the ones that made people think that GNU/Linux is bloated!" ... then remembers that most people think that RedHat equals Linux and goes into a corner to sulk *

[Ari Rahikkala]

Originally posted by Asher
What UR doesn't mention Windows 2000 gained significant marketshare, and so have things like MS' IIS and SQL Server. Windows Server 2003 will surely boost it farther, since a Windows machine now holds the performance crown rather than *nix.

Hm, I thought operating systems were a little bit... TOO DAMN COMPLICATED to use such a term has "holds the performance crown". If you mean the speed of moving files over SMB, the validity of the one study I remember about it is highly questionable. If you mean that a single beefed-up Windows machine is #1 in some benchmark (database stuff?), well... there's some validity to it, although the only people who are likely to be interested are those who happen to own Unix database back-end systems. Not, hopefully, those who are deploying the sort of machines that are relevant in a thread about Linux.

[Asher]

I'm talking about TPC-C results, Ari.

Intel + Windows is the fastest machine you can get for it.