Public education should get no more funding

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I think an interesting point to raise is that one of the highest funded school districts in the nation - that of Washington, DC - is also one of the lowest performing.

Something tells me that money has little to do with the performance of a school district, and that throwing more money at public education isn't the answer.

[orange]

Re: Public education should get no more funding

Originally posted by Albert Speer
at least not on the elementary/high school level. money should go towards college. Why?

So that the upper class can become even MORE elite?

I've been in the philly public school system my whole life and though most the people i know are not going to college or they have already dropped out of high school, they are all universally intelligent.

Bull****. Philadelphia harbours a 50% failure rate.

Take a random boy off the street hustling oils or some **** and you could seriously have an intelligent debate with him about politics or whatever. sure his grammer may not be right but he would use plenty of sophisticated words and knows what he's talking about.

I find the irony and inconsistency of this overwhelming.

So to me, funding is not the problem. The school district has basically churned out thousands of very intelligent men and women, even those who dropped out or stayed straight cutting classes.

And with less money they'll 'churn out' even less. With no public funding they won't 'churn out' any.

sure, some weedheads are retarded as ****

Oh i see, the users are stupid but the dealers are rhodes scholars...

and there's always those with 'learning disabilities'

Quotes? Do you deny that some people do have learning disabilities?

but the average student in the school district is probably just as smart as anyone in fancy private institutions.

I'd laugh if it weren't for the fact that you actually, for some reason or another, believe this ****e.

the problem is that 1) there's little oppurtunity (what with the cost of college) out of high school to continue one's education

Nope. Community college is dirt cheap. If you can attend Temple, anyone in the city can go to college provided they are accepted into Community college.

2) people don't see the point in going to college (they figure they got enough knowledge to get a job and survive)

So why fund colleges even more? What good will that accomplish.

and 3) people see college as that **** for white people.

More bull****, only now you're speaking for people you can't speak for.

but people insist that the public education system don't work because it don't get enough funding... **** that... the problem is people don't see the point in going to class, and especially not college.

If people don't see the point in going to class, that's their own fault...those that do go to class shouldn't be punished with less funding. And it is true, lower funding = poor performance. And once again, if they 'especially' don't want college, why on earth would you want to fund colleges with this money?

We need to somehow convince people of the worth of a college education or at least the importance of a diploma if only as a sheet of paper that proves you actually know ****.

Why don't you start by convincing people of the value of a high school education which PREPARES you for college, so that you don't spend your days typing up uneducated horse**** like this.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I think an interesting point to raise is that one of the highest funded school districts in the nation - that of Washington, DC - is also one of the lowest performing.

Something tells me that money has little to do with the performance of a school district,

Really? Try running a school on no money at all.

[David Floyd]

Really? Try running a school on no money at all.

Interesting point. Home schooling costs little, yet often times provides a better education, with less government BS requirements thrown in.

Not that I support homeschooling as the primary option - I think parents who force their kids to homeschool are robbing them of something very important, and that's social interaction.

What I DO support is everyone paying for their own education, rather than expecting me to do so.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Interesting point. Home schooling costs little, yet often times provides a better education, with less government BS requirements thrown in.

Other than the minor expenses involved in not working, of course.

[David Floyd]

Other than the minor expenses involved in not working, of course.

True, in a one parent family this would be a tad difficult, although still possibly doable. In a two person family, there's no reason one parent can't stay home, in the absence of things such as income taxes, property taxes, etc., if that parent really wants to.

But again, I'm not a big fan of homeschooling - it deprives kids of a good deal of social interaction. Turning a kid into a dork is not the best move a parent can make.

I'm just saying, pay for the services you use.

[orange]

Turning a kid into a dork is not the best move a parent can make.

I know plenty of kids that were home schooled and are not social nitwits. Dorks will be dorks and geeks will be geeks regardless of whether they're home schooled or not.

[David Floyd]

I know plenty of kids that were home schooled and are not social nitwits. Dorks will be dorks and geeks will be geeks regardless of whether they're home schooled or not.

The point I'm making is that there is less opportunity for social interaction, and spending all your time with your parents (or at least much of your time) might not be the best thing for your social development.

Still, homeschooling is better than funding public education.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I think an interesting point to raise is that one of the highest funded school districts in the nation - that of Washington, DC - is also one of the lowest performing.

Something tells me that money has little to do with the performance of a school district, and that throwing more money at public education isn't the answer.

No, the areas in Virginia just outside DC are some of the highest funded school districts in the nation, and some of the best performing (trust me - I live and go to school there). The District is another matter entirely.

[orange]

The point I'm making is that there is less opportunity for social interaction, and spending all your time with your parents (or at least much of your time) might not be the best thing for your social development.

Since when do homeschooled children only spend time with their parents? Aren't you overgeneralizing an already inaccurate stereotype here?

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, and home schooling only works if the parents are at least marginally intelligent. Sadly, this is not the case for the vast majority of humanity

[*End Is Forever*]

...and in particular those whose children are most likely to fail at school...

[David Floyd]

skywalker, I don't have exact stats on me, but I'm fairly sure that DC is very well funded.

In any case, the fact that a school in Virginia suburbs performs well probably has more to do with the students who go there than with the funding it receives, right?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by The diplomat
What Public Education needs is dicipline, high standards and competition.

especially the discipline. Instead of this stupid idea of students choosing the school we need to let the schools choose the students. Then the parents can deal with these trouble students. That will fix things quick.

I had hoped that this thread would get jacked good, but I guess not. It's soooo absurd!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by David Floyd
skywalker, I don't have exact stats on me, but I'm fairly sure that DC is very well funded.

I'm not sure they're poorly funded per se, but the funding doesn't go to the right places.

In any case, the fact that a school in Virginia suburbs performs well probably has more to do with the students who go there than with the funding it receives, right?

Actually, it doesn't. Our schools have a LOT of technology at them. Especially my school, which is a magnet school for the entire area (it's a tech school), and it's not just full of a bunch of rich kids.