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  • #61
    "I find it laughable that before the war people told us Iraq was none of our business, and now apparently the whole situation is "our mess." Pardon me, but if it's our mess, why didn't you cram the protests and let us clean house?"

    Gulf War II is Americas mess, but now it is there, it should clean it up. The Iran/Iraq war was also Americas mess, but it was made decades ago, but again, now you're there....

    "Say you need to move, and you don't have enough money to hire movers, rent a truck, etc... So, you ask all your friends to help you. Most of them make up lame excuses or fall of the face of the planet for some reason. The only two to come to your aid are Sam and Jack, and the begin to help you move. In the course of doing so they break a mirror of yours. Now, are you going to ask them to replace the mirror? Or, would you thank them for the help, since you really needed it, and replace it yourself?"

    Firstly, in this case, America is more than capable of "moving house" on its own. Secondly, it is not America's mirror we are dealing with. It is the Iraq furniture. If this moving firm breaks their "clients" mirror, then they should pay for it (although thats not how it sometimes work). Using my previous analogy, if a plumber repairs some pipes, but does not fill the hole in the wall, then he should not expect to get paid.

    " By the way limey, the UK was involved in this whole mess too, but by no means should the rest of the world reap the profit of war that the US took (there I said it)."

    Yes... yes you did! Thankyou for confirming what I've been thinking and arguing with people for months!

    "Yet, the Iraqi people will get what is theres... It is the price of freedom"

    Again, you're forcing your subjective point of view, no matter how much sense it makes to us, on another equally valid view. You are not in a position to judge a dictatorship, neither am I. As a subjective, you cannot judge an equally valid subjective. Only objectives can do that, and the objective here my friend, is/was the UN!
    "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
    "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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    • #62
      DanS: I think the fraud occured when Bush didn't allow any fair bids on the projects as is the norm.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #63
        That's not fraud.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #64
          What exactly does "limey" mean anyway?

          I always take ad hominems as a sign of inferior reasoning, but I am always curious as to what the insults and the flaming actually means! Someone care to translate?
          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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          • #65
            if a plumber repairs some pipes, but does not fill the hole in the wall, then he should not expect to get paid.
            What if there is a leak in the wall, and for the plumber to get at it, he has to breakdown the wall? Does he have to pay for the wall?
            Monkey!!!

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            • #66
              A limey is slang for a Brit
              Monkey!!!

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              • #67
                Of course!! Funny you should mention that, it happened to my grandparents a few years back (well the wall wasnt entirely demolished, but still), and they expected the plumber to pay for the damage. He did so willingly, as he was paid by my grandparents to repair the pipe and its damage. My analogy holds methinks.
                "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                • #68
                  "A limey is slang for a Brit"

                  Ah!! In that case, I assume its a reference to the scurvy thing? All you're really saying is that we have better sailors! jk Americas military dominance is, and never was, in doubt.
                  "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                  "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                  • #69
                    Broken pipe - Saddam
                    Wall - Iraq
                    Grandparents - Iraqii People
                    Plumber - The Coalition
                    Monkey!!!

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                    • #70
                      Besides, America hardly broke down the wall. The damage in Iraq can be easily repaired. It should be paid by the Americans. The US Admin. said themselves that war causes damage, and Iraq had a decimated economy. Thus it cannot repair itself immediately, and oil revenue will take much time, oil corps are cautious with the region ATM.
                      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                      • #71
                        "Broken pipe - Saddam
                        Wall - Iraq
                        Grandparents - Iraqii People
                        Plumber - The Coalition"

                        Grandparents - Iraqi people, except the Iraqis didnt ask for American "help"

                        Plumber - The Coalition.... a cowboy builder!
                        "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                        "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                        • #72
                          If anyone doesnt know what a cowboy builder is, its what we call in Britain a builder whose credentials at doing what he does are below parr, botches his jobs, and is generally a bit of a money-grabber. Also rude to old ladies.
                          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                          • #73
                            Grandparents - Iraqi people, except the Iraqis didnt ask for American "help"
                            Didn't look that way to me.

                            If you think the Iraqi people were the Bath Party then, IMO, you are sadly mistaken.
                            Monkey!!!

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                            • #74
                              Did the Americans take a secret ballot of the Iraqi people that I dont know about?

                              If you are taking the views of refugees as your justification for going to WAR with a nation, then you are using very poor evidence for the desires of the Iraqi people. That is starting to show now, as people in Iraq are more and more angry at the Americans. An Iraqi friend of mine stated that though they hated Saddam, at least he was a fellow Arab. That from a man whose parents were threatened with their lives by him, and thus they left.

                              One will generally find that refugees will not like the land they escape, which is why they left in the first place. It is highly unreliable evidence, and would not stand up in any reputable court, as evidence for the views of the Iraqi people.
                              "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                              "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                As far as I know, they want the Iraqis to pay them back with oil money.

                                Why don't you just say that you don't know? Why would the US require this?
                                So the US taxpayer will fit the reconstruction bill, not Iraq's oil revenue? Or what?
                                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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