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**reds4ever** · May 20, 2003, 20:16

Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Lonestar I predict a grim future next time we need to fight someone that has Heavy Armor....

Especially if they're on your side!!

**Lonestar** · May 20, 2003, 20:27

Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by reds4ever

Especially if they're on your side!!

Bullsh-t. In the past 10 years we've only fought yokels with 30 yr old tank's with shoddily made homemade ammo.

What happens when we run up to a country with, say, 700 T-80 Black Eagles?

**reds4ever** · May 20, 2003, 20:33

Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Lonestar

What happens when we run up to a country with, say, 700 T-80 Black Eagles?

You'll just be able to hit your allies tanks earlier and with more accuracy.

ie. 'all the gear, no idea!'

**Cruddy** · May 20, 2003, 20:37

Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Lonestar

Bullsh-t. In the past 10 years we've only fought yokels with 30 yr old tank's with shoddily made homemade ammo.

What happens when we run up to a country with, say, 700 T-80 Black Eagles?

I'm pretty sure the article was clear on this - only 6 battalions (say 4,200 troops) would be equipped. That leaves the rest of the conventionals as they are.

Us Brits organised the 16 Air Assault Brigade along similar lines, some years ago - without the drones or the fancy c cube gear.

So it's fairly obvious this is an air depoly brigade rather than what the whole US army is going over to.

At $15 billion though, it is STUPENDOUSLY overpriced. I suspect Rumsfeld is just paying off the usual suspects.

Reds4ever, the blue on blue in Iraq was a Challenger firing on a Challenger.

**Lonestar** · May 20, 2003, 21:08

Re: Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by reds4ever

You'll just be able to hit your allies tanks earlier and with more accuracy.

ie. 'all the gear, no idea!'

Yeah, I'm sure everyday American Calvery guys wake up and say "Hey, let's open fire on our allies!"

Ass.

**Cruddy** · May 20, 2003, 21:15

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Lonestar

Yeah, I'm sure everyday American Calvery guys wake up and say "Hey, let's open fire on our allies!"

The big fear for Brit troops is the Amercan Cavalry waking up in the morning and shouting

"Open Fire!"

Even when the target is a flock of seagulls.

Actually, the incident in Kuwait where that trigger happy USAF colonel took an A10 up without permission was an aberation - but it has happened.

**MichaeltheGreat** · May 20, 2003, 21:50

Re: Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Cruddy

I'm pretty sure the article was clear on this - only 6 battalions (say 4,200 troops) would be equipped. That leaves the rest of the conventionals as they are.

Us Brits organised the 16 Air Assault Brigade along similar lines, some years ago - without the drones or the fancy c cube gear.

So it's fairly obvious this is an air depoly brigade rather than what the whole US army is going over to.

At $15 billion though, it is STUPENDOUSLY overpriced. I suspect Rumsfeld is just paying off the usual suspects.

Reds4ever, the blue on blue in Iraq was a Challenger firing on a Challenger.

The wheeled vehicle advocates are using this as a foot in the door - looking for a test victim, say... Burkina Faso would do nicely, to show that it really, really works, and is the way of the future, blah blah blah. The goal of those guys is to make it standard force-wide.

**Cruddy** · May 20, 2003, 21:55

Burkino Faso? Why not Lichtenstein or Luxoumburg if you want a pushover?

At $15 billion per 6 battallions, the switch over would be UNFUNDABLE. Hard concept for the US but true nontheless.

**Jaguar** · May 20, 2003, 22:03

Who would have thought that Bush would fund the army?

**MichaeltheGreat** · May 20, 2003, 22:10

Originally posted by Cruddy
Burkino Faso? Why not Lichtenstein or Luxoumburg if you want a pushover?

At $15 billion per 6 battallions, the switch over would be UNFUNDABLE. Hard concept for the US but true nontheless.

There's a lot of development money and crap in that initial contract that wouldn't be duplicated when you issued on a larger scale. Plus just plain pork.

**Panag** · May 21, 2003, 06:19

Re: Re: Re: Army Future combat system get's funded

Originally posted by Lonestar

Bullsh-t. In the past 10 years we've only fought yokels with 30 yr old tank's with shoddily made homemade ammo.

What happens when we run up to a country with, say, 700 T-80 Black Eagles?

hi ,

not a single country has them , .....

the first part , what makes you claim that , ?????

have a nice day

**Panag** · May 21, 2003, 06:22

Originally posted by Cruddy
Burkino Faso? Why not Lichtenstein or Luxoumburg if you want a pushover?

At $15 billion per 6 battallions, the switch over would be UNFUNDABLE. Hard concept for the US but true nontheless.

hi ,

, them lux troops , well they have crack AT troops , 300 of them with humvees , who-ah , they can kill a tank brigade in a mater of minutes with those third gen missiles

burkina faso

, the belgian are helping them and benin in the building of an armed forces ,.....

they cant even fly to there without refuelling

have a nice day

**Tingkai** · May 21, 2003, 07:30

I read somewhere that the Pentagon had not asked for money to upgrade the Abrahms and Bradley, but the Congress decided to spend $700 million on upgrades anyways.

I thought that was crazy. Now I read this.

$15 billion to re-invent the wheel.

Meanwhile, the US education system is falling apart, public libraries are being closed, highways are falling apart along with bridges, millions of people are functional illiterates, millions of people don't have proper medical care, and millions live in poverty.

Or just think about the tax cuts that could be done with $15 billion.

Nice to see that American politicians have their priorities right.

**Cruddy** · May 21, 2003, 10:05

Hmm. This thread reminded me of on old development story;-

Maybe they are ready to start deploying this - Click me

**Lonestar** · May 21, 2003, 20:16

Originally posted by Tingkai
I read somewhere that the Pentagon had not asked for money to upgrade the Abrahms and Bradley, but the Congress decided to spend $700 million on upgrades anyways.

I thought that was crazy. Now I read this.

$15 billion to re-invent the wheel.

Meanwhile, the US education system is falling apart, public libraries are being closed,

State issues, not Federal.

highways are falling apart along with bridges, millions of people are functional illiterates,

I don't know what Highways you've been driving on, btu I know the Federal Interstates are just fine...

millions of people don't have proper medical care, and millions live in poverty.

More state issues.

Or just think about the tax cuts that could be done with $15 billion.

Or they could have just raised my pay.

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