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  • #91
    Originally posted by cia
    Please tell me then GePap, where it says in the Constitution where the government CAN fund the arts? Which amendment or article? Last time I checked one of the only things they were supposed to do was national defense.
    Sigh...

    Article 1, section 8.
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    • #92
      Do you mean this Eden?
      To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

      Notice the wording for copyright and trademark?
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      • #93
        Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
        GePap: If PBS is so good, it should be able to draw a sizable audience, hence it should not need government subsidy.
        Please! More peole watch American Idol than the sopranos: that does not make American idol better.

        PBS has the job of trying to porvide educational, informative, and culturally edifying programming for free. Given the cotidian and base tastes that are the most common, this is inherently difficult, specaillu, since, as I have stated, it can;t just stick to one subject like the cable channels do but must remain broad. It is inherantly fighting against the market forces that create ever further sub-specialization (why do we need 700+ channels?). For example, whic crporations would sponsor Sesame street? ADM? Mercedes? No, toy makers, which would then push for programming more conducive to selling toys. And what about the news, of things like frontline? What if these guys want to investigate a companyu, but hey, they are a sponsor...too bad.... NO, not having to cater to the base tastes of the masses (which are not 'right' [again, porn videos sell more than Chrisian rock music..porn must be better for the public]).

        Edan:
        The only show I have seen on PBS being biased is NOW, but that is because Bill Moyers get so much editorial control. But as far as its national news sources, I find them much more informaive and less biased.
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        • #94
          Sigh. Funding of the arts comes out of the same place that funding of the air force comes from. By reading the constitution and trying to judge the framers intent in conjunction with modern realities.
          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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          • #95
            Let it die. It's a small step towards a freer system.

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            • #96
              The Congress has the right to make any laws it cares to make, unless they clash with some right given either states or individuals within the Constitution.

              game over.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Edan
                framers
                Older persons.

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                Snowpersons.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Tassadar5000
                  Older persons.
                  Shouldn't that be "aged challeneged person"?



                  (You know, I think I would find "older person" more offensive that "senior citizen", myself...)
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                  • #99
                    Mind pointing out GePap where in the Constitution where it says Congress can do whatever it wants?
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                    • So all things that are "good" should receive public funding? Chocolate is good. Sex is good. Beer is good.
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                      • Originally posted by cia
                        Mind pointing out GePap where in the Constitution where it says Congress can do whatever it wants?
                        geez cia, bring it to the Supreme Court or shut the **** up. Oh, they would throw your case out, too bad.

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                        • double...no, more..triple the funding.

                          Originally posted by LoneWolf
                          So all things that are "good" should receive public funding? Chocolate is good. Sex is good. Beer is good.
                          Where is my money?
                          Sounds good. I certainly don't want my public funding going to build cluster bomblets that little Iraq kids can play "kick the can" with. That's not good at all.

                          On the other hand, the educational programming is still second to none. The "world" perspective that PBS brings into the programming mix is still second to none. Nova is still the best science show on tv. No 24-hour commercial news channel covers issues with the thoroughness that NewsHour or Frontline does.

                          It's the best tv there is. The ratings are just as high, if not higher, in an increasingly saturated market. It's a cultural institution that deserves far more than it gets.

                          http://www.pbs.org/insidepbs/news/1Q2003.html
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                          • It also seems like PBS (along with heavy metal) are effective to the military where an F22 isn't...


                            I love you, you love me, it's our secret weaponry....

                            More funding to PBS to help keep our military strong!
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                            • I'd like to thank the participants in this thread for reminding me to make my pledge to NPR. I keep meaning to give them money and I keep forgetting.

                              Gracias

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                              • I don't know what the argument in this thread is about. PBS no longer receives much government funding, but does fine anyway. PBS still brings in about 4x the audience the likes of the History Channel or the Discovery Channel on similar programming. Everybody is making out well in this arrangement. If nobody donates to PBS then it will die, which would be fine too.

                                IIRC, the US is very poor when it comes to foreign movies (except the British ones), and most are dubbed anyway

                                The only dubbed movies that I have ever seen in the US are Japanese anime. Dubbing is not and has never been practiced in American cinemas, unlike in Europe and most other places (thank the gods Americans have more sense). You can find plenty of non-English speaking foreign films in major cities. Also, there's plenty offered on cable, which about 70% of American households have. Lastly, your local movie rental place has some and Netflix is pretty rich with the stuff.
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