Why are black people so fast?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Lancer
"It has very little to do with race and a lot to do with when kids start training and how hard they work at a particular sport."

Sounds alot like 'white track people lack attitude' to me.'

That's not what I'm saying in any way.

But for discussion sake, lets say someone argues that white track people don't have the right attitude to win. Is that better then saying blacks are better sprinters because of their natural abilities rather than their attitude and willingness to train.

To me, both attitudes are insulting. That what bugs me a bit about this discussion. People look at a great athlete and say "Yeah, he's good cause he is black.

A guy like Carl Lewis is not a great athlete because he is black. He is a great athlete because of training, physical and mental, and atttiude.

[Ted Striker]

1. Skinny ankles
2. Extra calf muscles
3. Lower body fat
4. Higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibre
5. Nostrils are larger allowing a higher uptake of oxygen

[Kramerman]

i breath thru my mouth when i run

[Ted Striker]

you also breathe through your nose you just don't realize it

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
1. Skinny ankles
2. Extra calf muscles
3. Lower body fat
4. Higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibre
5. Nostrils are larger allowing a higher uptake of oxygen

Skinny ankles?

[Ted Striker]

I was being serious and yes that's a reason they are faster.

[Tingkai]

Really? I thought you were being ironic. Too bad. It's much funnier as irony.

[Rogan Josh]

Where are the mods? Isn't this thread deeply racist?

*resists the urge to use irony*

[Tolls]

"you also breathe through your nose you just don't realize it"

There was a study of the effcts of those nasal strips sporty-types were using a few years ago to hold open their nostrils wider, so allowing more air into their lungs. They showed that they were useless, since the amount of air going in to the lungs through the mouth overwhelmed any gain through the nose...so I would assume the same applied to nasal shapes.

[Berzerker]

Calc -

then a white man with same body porportion should have equal chance with blacks no?

But during competition a same sized whites often lose alot to blacks, so I dont think ur argument of "blacks win because they got longer legs" really work.

"Longer legs" was just an example of how genetics and environment encompass "why". People living in colder climes tend to be heavier built too, i.e., bone structure and mass. But if you found a black and white guy with roughly equal physiques and training, I see no reason why one would be significantly faster. But as others have pointed out, many African athletes have both the genetics and environment, and superior training (high altitude running). Andean Indians and Tibetans have greater lung capacity than people living at lower altitudes, etc...

Tingkai -

And that explains why the bushmen and the pygmies are so tall.

What GP said. Environment AND genes matter.

[Pekka]

I have actually seen a long document about this. It was interesting. These guys were measuring runners in Kenya and then versus white runners. Then back at the lab they tested all the guys, and black guys seemed to have LOTS more those fast.. I don't know what you call it, fast cells? by nature. THose fast things can be produced by HARD training, and black men seemed to gain the lot easier than white men.

They even measured white runner born in Africa against black man who wasn't training that much, and back at the tests the black man was improving so fast with the fast thingies that they said it's only matter of time when he wins the white guy who had trained long time.
And that applied outside Africa too.

Then at long distance running it wasn't so obvious, but African people like in Kenya were superior with the same training, because of the climate and because of training high altitude at all times.

I don't know, but it seemed like it could be the answer, they stuck lots of needles to these guys.

But basically it concluded that in short distances white men must train a lot harder to gain those fast things, and because black short distance runners train hard also, well they are better. In long distance running it's not same, but lot of African runners have optimum training conditions, and there are lots of runners in Africa because it's a big sport there and sometimes a way out.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Tingkai -

What GP said. Environment AND genes matter.

Berzerker: You claimed that the environment affected the evolution of genes.
"Blacks have traditionally lived in hotter climes so the body reacts over 10's of millennia and becomes lankier/taller to increase evaporation to regulate body temps."

The Bushmen and Pgymies have lived in hot climes for thousands of years and yet are not tall. According to your theory, they should be giants.

You claim that "People who live in colder areas or have "recently migrated from colder areas have bulkier/shorter bodies to conserve heat."

But, Northern Europeans are generally taller than people from tropical Southeast Asia.

Your theory doesn't hold water.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Pekka
I have actually seen a long document about this. It was interesting. These guys were measuring runners in Kenya and then versus white runners.

But basically it concluded that in short distances white men must train a lot harder to gain those fast things, and because black short distance runners train hard also, well they are better.

Your conclusion is incorrect.

What the study would prove, if your initial facts are correct, is that Kenyans are better suited for sprints.

Just because some Kenyans are better sprinters doesn't mean that all blacks are better sprinters.

Did the show test white men with high amounts of these fast twitch muscle things?

I have read that the Soviet Union used to do take muscle samples from young athletes. If the kid had fast twitch muscles then they would be trained for sports where this was an advantage. If they had endurance type muscles they would be trained in another sport.

[Pekka]

I might remember wrong, and explain it wrong too..
They tested white men with with fast twitch muscle things, but they were hard to find . And basically if they had about the same amount, they were in the samel level in running with the black dudes.

[Bereta_Eder]

Blacks are not faster or stronger or more pron to athletics or whatever.

It's that in the US you have performed a sort of eugenics since only the stronger slaves were selected to be shipped to America so that they wouldn't die too fast working in the plantations.


Blacks, normal blacks, come in all sorts of sizes and strengths and if you take a trip to countries were they have lots of students from Africa you'd see that.