What is Your Political Philosophy?

[Az]

I don't "believe" that it should be perpetuated for ever. I think that it exists now, and existed throughout history. I think that it should be abolished and a far more egalitarian society should emerge.

[Buck Birdseed]

Who believes in perpetuating conflict? I believe in as equal a society as is possible, but I do not believe that society should be on the terms of any one group but that all groups should have a say. Unlike a communist I recognise the reality of diversity, and even celebrate it.

I think the entire idea of being able to create one, conformist cultural entity with perfect operational knowledge where all differences are erased is bogus, even genuinely evil, and the reason why Communist states tend towards totalitarianism. Social groups that are not part of the dominant one are to be subdued and brought into the party line. Communism is a disturbingly right-wing ideology in its attitude to women, to homosexuals, to cultural sub-groups, all of whose ideas are ignored, all of whom are percecuted and turned subservient. A real society of the people would be one of all the people, not just the dominant groups in power.

[Cruddy]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Who believes in perpetuating conflict? [QUOTE]

Arns manufacturers? Hostile powers from outside the conflict zone tha want to see a war bleed on? Politicians in democracies who want a vote winner? Any vested interest? The list is endless.

Move to Switzerland - IF you can afford it.

One party states are, by definition, totalitarianist states.

Communism ignores all ideas outside the scope of the One Party. So do Fascist and majority democracy governments (of the one party that's in power). Democracy certainly ignores the wishes of the minority.

[OzzyKP]

Of course good communists don't support continued class stuggle. They wants to exterminate all the upper class and be done with the class struggle forever.

[Az]

The proper word is "eliminate", Ozzy.

Who believes in perpetuating conflict? I believe in as equal a society as is possible, but I do not believe that society should be on the terms of any one group but that all groups should have a say. Unlike a communist I recognise the reality of diversity, and even celebrate it.

It's not about the "terms of any one group" is about the lack of "groups" whatsoever. "equal a society as possible" is not at the end of "All groups should have their say". Also, how would the "have their say" reach an actual decision? will it be a majoritarian one? ( please, don't say "compromise" , we've seen how well it works in contemporary society. )

I think the entire idea of being able to create one, conformist cultural entity with perfect operational knowledge where all differences are erased is bogus, even genuinely evil, and the reason why Communist states tend towards totalitarianism.

Why so? a person when born is a clean slate. If everyone would study in similar schools, they would all learn the same things. Those things would be based on personal freedom, and the socialist constitution.

Social groups that are not part of the dominant one are to be subdued and brought into the party line.

What do you mean by social groups? do you mean cultures? social classes?

Communism is a disturbingly right-wing ideology in its attitude to women, to homosexuals, to cultural sub-groups, all of whose ideas are ignored, all of whom are percecuted and turned subservient.

How is communism naturally right wing? oh and cultural subgroups? If they're not playing by the rules, and creating different social normas, then call me authoritarian, I say "**** them".

[OzzyKP]

"Why so? a person when born is a clean slate. If everyone would study in similar schools, they would all learn the same things. Those things would be based on personal freedom, and the socialist constitution."

What if the students don't want to study in the same schools and learn the same things?

[Az]

What if the students don't want to study in the same schools and learn the same things?

It depends on the age. Primary, school education is mandatory. Just like today.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Azazel
what is our goal? to expand, expand, expand. Always, and forever.

You're a borg

[Az]

But it's true, Urban. We would benefit a lot from expanding into space, in the long run. We must do it. and you know it.

[Urban Ranger]

I mean the "forever" part.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Communism ignores all ideas outside the scope of the One Party. So do Fascist and majority democracy governments (of the one party that's in power). Democracy certainly ignores the wishes of the minority.

Communism is predominantly an economics model, not a political model.

[Az]

UR: Well, we'll have to do if forever. I mean, why not?

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Communism is predominantly an economics model, not a political model.

I wouldn't say so - more of a political belief ("ism") that can be misrepresented as an economic model. You checked the reading material I recommended on "...Heroes"? You'll find some (well, lots then) of words on what Communism is like from the receiving end.

[Ned]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Of course good communists don't support continued class stuggle. They wants to exterminate all the upper class and be done with the class struggle forever.

It still bugs me that marxists of any stripe continue to view politics in terms of "class" stuggle when those concepts came out of a time of rigid class structures, when one really could not move from one class to another. A lot of people came to the United States because of that. We were the land of equal opportunity. A land that rejected nobility and class structures.

Our society allows the poorest to become rich and powerful, and still the rhetoric of class warfar is applied to the United States! The Marxist objective in the US is to eliminate the rich through taxation and socialism. In the end the US will be reduced to a poverty, equally shared, like we see in all communist countries of history. This is crazy. The reason it is crazy is that there is nothing unfair about being rich and/or powerful if everyone has an equal opportunity to become rich and powerful. Further, we all can see the benefits of our current society. It works.

To the extent we can, we should look for ways of enhancing equal opportunity and we should reject class warfar ideology. We need to smoothe the path to wealth, not eliminate it.

[Az]

In the end the US will be reduced to a poverty, equally shared, like we see in all communist countries of history.

you know, Ned, you keeping repeating stuff doesn't make it true.

I actually lived in the SU, while you were spoon-fed anti communist propoganda.