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  • The Secrets of Success - REVEALED!!!

    Originally posted by Kontiki
    A huge amount depends on your personality/drive/etc.. One of my best friends from high school - who was incredibly bright, BTW - decided to totally slack off his senior year and barely graduated (again, if he applied himself even to half his ability, he could have gotten into university no problem). He was a compu-geek, but not in the programming kind of way. He got some crap job testing games at Electronic Arts, and within a few years became a producer and even designed/created/launched a top-selling game himself (well, with the help of his team at EA). He then went on to co-found a tech company, left to do some free-lance consulting work, and is now a producer at one of the top electronic ad agencies in Canada, handling Microsoft's accounts. All of this without ANY post-secondary education, but alot of drive and determination.
    Kontiki gets it, or at least his friend does.

    The more important thing than your major is your career path. Do you want to work for a large company your entire life? If so, are you executive material or do you want to stay in middle level positions your entire career? Do you want to be an entreprenuer somewhere down the road? Do you want to work for government, academia, or non-profit organizations?

    The above are the real questions you need to think about in determining your career path.

    But the real secret to success is to find something that you will want to spend 50-80 hours a week doing it, a task or a question so fascinating that you don't mind thinking about it even while off the job. One thing about successful people is that they never really turn it off... even in relaxing moments, you can always tell that there's something going on, that they are thinking about the job. If you can get into this sort of zone, and keep it for 20-40 years, you've got it made.

    So my advice is this: throw away that stupid income chart and major in something that will enable you to get paid for doing stuff you love to do, even if the chart says that you are making a financially wrong choice.

    Then, you ever have the opportunity to work and socialize with people in your chosen field, do so. If the history department has a dinner for people with history majors, go. If you have a chance to grab a beer with one of your departments TA, then by all means grab it. Why not apply at EA for a games tester?

    In short: DON'T BE AFRAID TO TALK TO PEOPLE!!!!!

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    • Originally posted by Paul Hanson
      I see Politics is some way down the list.

      ****.
      But Diplomacy is out ...

      Presumably replaced by the Marines Corps :
      Statistical anomaly.
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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      • Electrical engineering $50,566?

        America, I'll see you soon!
        "Relax, pay your income tax!" - The Fast Show
        "Once you discover white paint, you'll never wash your underwear again." - Conan O'Brien

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        • How much does a poor chemist get?
          urgh.NSFW

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          • to quote my compsci TA: "co-op or die"
            "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
            - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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            • Originally posted by Jeltz
              Electrical engineering $50,566?

              America, I'll see you soon!
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • You are so right JohnT. My dad always say do what you like and do it well, and you will never want for anything.

                Also, this

                In short: DON'T BE AFRAID TO TALK TO PEOPLE!!!!!
                Is soooooooo true.

                Some may call it kissing butt, yet kissing butt is more than just being social.

                In one of the books a just finished, can't remember tell ya when I get home, they talk about a classmate who almost flunked out school. The guy didn;t really try, and thus he got what he deserved mostly C's and D's. Yet, when that guy got his degree he was immediatly handed a sales job with a starting salary in the six figures!!!! How? He spent most of him time talking to ppl, working his way around social groups, until he found someone who was willing to give him a job... Now that's moxy
                Monkey!!!

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                • Originally posted by Jon Miller
                  it is lucrative (as much so as EE)
                  You are boinkers

                  You need a doctoral degree in physics at least to make that kind of money, while for EE all you need is the bachelor's.
                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • Re: The Secrets of Success - REVEALED!!!

                    Originally posted by JohnT
                    Kontiki gets it, or at least his friend does.
                    Nope. The real secret is luck.
                    (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                    (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                    (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                    • Re: Re: The Secrets of Success - REVEALED!!!

                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                      Nope. The real secret is luck.
                      There's a lot to what he said about talking to people. That's what college does. It allows you to talk to people.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • That's just part of it.

                        Once I went to an interview with a company, whose big cheese happened to be an alumnus. Eventually I didn't get the job I applied for (tech support), but he offered me a better job (network admin) at the company he was considering creating.
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                          That's just part of it.

                          Once I went to an interview with a company, whose big cheese happened to be an alumnus. Eventually I didn't get the job I applied for (tech support), but he offered me a better job (network admin) at the company he was considering creating.
                          right.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • Originally posted by Kidicious

                            Well, actually all I'd have to do is move to Germany or UK and easily make >5/3 times the money/month that I would make here after I graduate. Being an engineer (master's level) in Finland sucks, but I shouldn't have a problem finding a job.
                            "Relax, pay your income tax!" - The Fast Show
                            "Once you discover white paint, you'll never wash your underwear again." - Conan O'Brien

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                            • Originally posted by Azazel
                              How much does a poor chemist get?
                              You are right to say poor chemist.

                              Chemists just aren't as marketable as Chemical Engineers and typically start about 15% lower.

                              I still say that sales is a good area to consider if you don't like being behind a desk. Most big companies have salaried sales positions and your calling on professional purchasing people. Everything has to be sold by somebody and most chemical companies or companies with technical products would rather teach sales techniques to technical people rather than teach technical information to business majors.

                              Coming out of school, getting a sales job will get you lots of contacts at different companies and is a great way to see whats really out there. Don't believe that there is one "sales type", all you need is honesty, reliability and some knowledge about what your selling.

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                              • Originally posted by Jeltz
                                Well, actually all I'd have to do is move to Germany or UK and easily make >5/3 times the money/month that I would make here after I graduate. Being an engineer (master's level) in Finland sucks, but I shouldn't have a problem finding a job.
                                I guess they don't need you as bad in Finland.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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