Why do people consider themselves Democrats?

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Japher
Glad you finally noticed this Speer.



This why most minorities are Democrats, and is why Dems get elected... Because a lot of ppl are as ignorant as MRT and actually believe this BS.

I am of the opinion that if minorities actually looked at their canidates platform they would probably not vote for them. Repub.s ideals are far more aligned with the view point of most minority societies, and have a lot of good minorities in their party and in elected or appointed offices.

We, republicans, don't need token minorities because we don't give things to people who haven't earned them... Unlike democrats.

Maybe its is that attitude of the rebulicans that get them overlooked by minorities. We a stern and strict, and all around boring. I guess the majority of minorities just want a fancy show with lots of lights and smoke... Wait, I think Bush just gave them one, though it didn't involve a slut and a cigar so I guess they will overlook it.


Blah...

thats it, im ignorant! whens the last time the republicans actually stood up and said "we need to help minorities". Apathetic "do right for yourself" isnt helping minorities.

Who wants to end affirmitive action? republicans. who has out in the open racists in the party? republicans. You cant win the hearts of the people if you alienate them. like the republicans do.

flash has nothing to do with why minorities tend to democrat. its the overwhelming racism of the republican party that forces them to vote democrat.

[Japher]

thats it, im ignorant

Sorry to offend MRT, I like you and didn't mean to insult you... Though, in a way, I proved your point about republican be apathetic

You cant win the hearts of the people if you alienate them.

Oh, so Affirmative Action doesn't alienate?

. its the overwhelming racism of the republican party that forces them to vote democrat.

Thats a better argument.

Apathetic "do right for yourself" isnt helping minorities.

So the dems, who want to help minorities, are belittling them because the feel they need help. Ya know, teach a man to fish....

[Sava]

How is the Republican party doing anything to "teach a man to fish"? pleeeeeasssssseeeee Republican Party = Corporate Party with a mixture of hypocritical Social Authoritarians

[Cyclotron]

The Republican message seems to be more of "let's leave them alone so they can teach themselves fishing," while the Democrats just say "here, have a fish." Ideally, we would have a system that really "taught them to fish," and although the Dems don't have it, at least they seem to be trying.

[Sava]

cyclotron

unfortunately it's
Democrat; Tweedledumb
Republican; Tweedleevilselfservingwh0re

[Japher]

OK, so the repubs are not teaching anyone how to fish...

cyclo is right.

although the Dems don't have it, at least they seem to be trying.

IMO, "seem" is the operative word.

I don't see what Gray Davis is doing as trying to teach them to fish. Slashing education funds and increasing prison funds... Well, at least he is building for their (the minorities) future, they'll have a roof over there head soon enough...

One thing is for sure; it is hard to set up good programs when you have two parties bickering over how to do it. It is even harder when you belong to a party that relies on there being poor and oppressed ppl to give you votes...

[Japher]

Democrat; Tweedledumb
Republican; Tweedleevilselfservingwh0re

That's a good one Sava

[Sava]

Gray Davis is a putz, you shouldn't judge an entire party based upon someone who isn't even a major party leader.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Japher




That's a good one Sava

I try.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Japher


Oh, so Affirmative Action doesn't alienate?


So the dems, who want to help minorities, are belittling them because the feel they need help. Ya know, teach a man to fish....

i think in general that minorities would rather be helped than have nothing at all.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Japher
IMO, "seem" is the operative word.

Well, I certainly think that honest and well-meaning failure is better than not trying at all. Perhaps it is more appearances than reality, but there is a lot more reality to it than republican programs.

I don't see what Gray Davis is doing as trying to teach them to fish. Slashing education funds and increasing prison funds... Well, at least he is building for their (the minorities) future, they'll have a roof over there head soon enough...

All politicians in all parties, when faced with the massive budget crisis that we have, will start cutting. That's not really indicitive of party lines. Davis, in fact, did a lot for education in previous years, though I wish he would step up to the plate instead of being so wishy-washy. I'm no Davis fan, but he was better than Bill Simon. *shudder*

One thing is for sure; it is hard to set up good programs when you have two parties bickering over how to do it. It is even harder when you belong to a party that relies on there being poor and oppressed ppl to give you votes...

That smacks of conspiracy theory... kind of like the far-left "Bush wants to rule the world" stuff. Do you honestly think that an entire political party wants to keep people poor? You have valid points, but this is not one of them.

This is why, IMHO, we need to oust the 2-party system in favor of a more parliamentary system, while retaining USA style legislative detachment and power. But that's just my pipe dream.

[Japher]

Do you honestly think that an entire political party wants to keep people poor?

Haven't solved that one out yet. I doubt it is an entire political party, and I think a small handful who support such programs actually realize what such "helping hand" programs really result in...

You have valid points, but this is not one of them.

Wow!

we need to oust the 2-party system in favor of a more parliamentary system, while retaining USA style legislative detachment and power

Lets start a new political party

[Sava]

I agree... down with the 2 party system!!

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Japher
Haven't solved that one out yet. I doubt it is an entire political party, and I think a small handful who support such programs actually realize what such "helping hand" programs really result in...

I look at San Francisco as a case study. Homeless people there are a big problem, and there's a lot of constant debate and some action as to what they should give poor people to stop the problem. Obviously, they have not come up with a good solution yet, but I'm convinced that they are genuinely concerned with the problem.

Wow!

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[Jon Miller]

both parties are just corporate whores

Jon Miller