North Korea will sell nukes (to OBL?)

[Felch]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Besides, if this punishment doesn't involve a regime change, I don't see why France would be hostile to it.

Why is France opposed to a regime change in a country that clearly rejects the basic values of republicanism? Shouldn't the US and France be the two strongest supporters of spreading liberty, especially in cases where it's so crystal clear that the dictatorship is oppressing its people?

I thought we at least had something in common.

[Sava]

Shouldn't the US and France be the two strongest supporters of spreading liberty, especially in cases where it's so crystal clear that the dictatorship is oppressing its people?

Well they should, but they are both hypocrits. France cares more about it's own business deals than the liberation of anyone; and the US, more specifically Bush, cares more about killing his enemies, providing pork to his constituents, and masking the truth about the US aiding Saddam in the first place.

[Spiffor]

Felch :
Morally, France should favor a regime change, even if there are moral reasons to oppose a war about it (in an official speech shortly before Gulf War 2, Chirac pretended a regime change in Iraq was "wishable").

But there is no such thing as morals in our government, and it would hate to lose a client. I don't know what **** we are selling to KN, but I guess we are selling some weapons or nasty stuff like that.

[GePap]

Oh, yes, the French want NK to sell nuclear equipent, I mean, they vetoed 1441 (oh, wait, no, they voted for it.... but disagreed with the US and UK about its meaning.. guess that is a crime againts humanity!)

I am sorry, but the "french" part of this thread is absurd.

As for the othert part: Would NK seel nukes to Al qaeda? Perhaps, if Al Qaeda had that kind of money. nukes ain;t going to be cheap, and my guess is Al qaeda would have problems moving that kind of dough undetected by any state. Most liekly buyers are state actors, just like the current buyers of NK missiles aren't, or have ever been, terrorist, but states.

[Sava]

I am sorry, but the "french" part of this thread is absurd.

I agree. They are irrelevant, and it's just a diversion from dealing with the real issue.

[Sandman]

I agree with GePap, it's very unlikely that the various Islamic terrorist groups can afford a nuclear device.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Sandman
I agree with GePap, it's very unlikely that the various Islamic terrorist groups can afford a nuclear device.

Don't underestimate their ability to do so. Al-Qaida enjoys the support of the rich Saudi government.

[Sandman]

Don't underestimate their ability to do so. Al-Qaida enjoys the support of the rich Saudi government.

No, it doesn't. Certain individuals in the Saudi government, yes, but not the government itself.

[Sava]

I think you need to do a little research. Not directly, but the Saudi government creates an environment where Islamic fundamentalism can prosper. I'll quote Bill Maher, "Islamic fundamentalism is like a rotten teenager. They have not dealt with the rotten teenager living in their house, so now, we have to."

[Kropotkin]

It's quite ironic, the US huge need for oil gives profits to saudis that give it to terrorists that buys nuclear weapons from North Korea.

[Sandman]

Not directly, but the Saudi government creates an environment where Islamic fundamentalism can prosper.

Oh come on, that's hardly support. By the same logic, the US government supported McVeigh, or Israel supports Hamas.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Sandman


Oh come on, that's hardly support. By the same logic, the US government supported McVeigh, or Israel supports Hamas.

But, people like McVeigh number in the hundreds... maybe thousands... support for OBL is in the millions in the Arab world. I'm not sure any Israeli support Hamas.. I could be wrong though.

BTW, McVeigh was executed... OBL is getting local support wherever he is.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sandman
No, it doesn't. Certain individuals in the Saudi government, yes, but not the government itself.

But the government refuses to do anything about these individuals. That's tacit support. These individiuals have given AQ $500 million dollars, even while the War on Terrorism continues. But the Bushies are too tied to Saudi oil to do anything about it, the traitors.

[Sava]

But the Bushies are too tied to Saudi oil to do anything about it, the traitors.

Yes! I wish certain Americans would stop denying this fact.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Who says NK has nukes?! well... they do and the US does. The US said Iraq had WMD. Oppps... looks like they dont. Never the less. That's no reason to not invade NK. might as well.