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    What is the greatest danger facing America as it tries to rebuild Iraq: Shiite fundamentalism? Kurdish separatism? Sunni intransigence? Turkish, Syrian, Iranian or Saudi Arabian meddling?

    All of those are real problems, but none is so severe that it can't readily be handled. More than 125,000 American troops occupy Mesopotamia. They are backed up by the resources of the world's richest economy. In a contest for control of Iraq, America can outspend and outmuscle any competing faction.

    The greatest danger is that we won't use all of our power for fear of the ''I'' word -- imperialism. When asked on April 28 on al-Jazeera whether the United States was ''empire building,'' Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld reacted as if he'd been asked whether he wears women's underwear. ''We don't seek empires,'' he replied huffily. ''We're not imperialistic. We never have been.''

    That's a fine answer for public consumption. The problem is that it isn't true. The United States has been an empire since at least 1803, when Thomas Jefferson purchased the Louisiana Territory. Throughout the 19th century, what Jefferson called the ''empire of liberty'' expanded across the continent. When U.S. power stretched from ''sea to shining sea,'' the American empire moved abroad, acquiring colonies ranging from Puerto Rico and the Philippines to Hawaii and Alaska.

    While the formal empire mostly disappeared after World War II, the United States set out on another bout of imperialism in Germany and Japan. Oh, sorry -- that wasn't imperialism; it was ''occupation.'' But when Americans are running foreign governments, it's a distinction without a difference. Likewise, recent ''nation-building'' experiments in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan are imperialism under another name.

    Mind you, this is not meant as a condemnation. The history of American imperialism is hardly one of unadorned good doing; there have been plenty of shameful episodes, such as the mistreatment of the Indians. But, on the whole, U.S. imperialism has been the greatest force for good in the world during the past century. It has defeated the monstrous evils of communism and Nazism and lesser evils such as the Taliban and Serbian ethnic cleansing. Along the way, it has helped spread liberal institutions to countries as diverse as South Korea and Panama.

    Yet, while generally successful as imperialists, Americans have been loath to confirm that's what they were doing. That's OK. Given the historical baggage that ''imperialism'' carries, there's no need for the U.S. government to embrace the term. But it should definitely embrace the practice.

    That doesn't mean looting Iraq of its natural resources; nothing could be more destructive of our goal of building a stable government in Baghdad. It means imposing the rule of law, property rights, free speech and other guarantees, at gunpoint if need be. This will require selecting a new ruler who is committed to pluralism and then backing him or her to the hilt. Iran and other neighboring states won't hesitate to impose their despotic views on Iraq; we shouldn't hesitate to impose our democratic views.

    The indications are mixed as to whether the United States is prepared to embrace its imperial role unapologetically. Rumsfeld has said that an Iranian-style theocracy ''isn't going to happen,'' and President Bush has pledged to keep U.S. troops in Iraq as long as necessary to ''build a peaceful and representative government.'' After allowing a temporary power vacuum to develop, U.S. troops now are moving aggressively to put down challenges to their authority by, for example, arresting the self-declared ''mayor'' of Baghdad.

    That's all for the good. But there are also some worrisome signs. Bush asked for only $2.5 billion from Congress for rebuilding Iraq, even though a study from the Council on Foreign Relations and the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy estimates that $25 billion to $100 billion will be needed. Iraq's oil revenues and contributions from allies won't cover the entire shortfall. The president should be doing more to prepare the U.S. public and Congress for a costly commitment. Otherwise, Iraqis quickly could become disillusioned about the benefits of liberation.

    The cost of our commitment will be measured not only in money but also in troops. While Bush and Rumsfeld have wisely eschewed any talk of an early ''exit strategy,'' they still seem to think that U.S. forces won't need to stay more than two years. Rumsfeld even denied a report that the U.S. armed forces are planning to open permanent bases in Iraq. If they're not, they should be. That's the only way to ensure the security of a nascent democracy in such a rough neighborhood.

    Does the administration really imagine that Iraq will have turned into Switzerland in two years' time? Allied rule lasted four years in Germany and seven years in Japan. American troops remain stationed in both places more than 50 years later. That's why these two countries have become paragons of liberal democracy. It is crazy to think that Iraq -- which has less of a democratic tradition than either Germany or Japan had in 1945 -- could make the leap overnight.

    The record of nation-building during the past decade is clear: The United States failed in Somalia and Haiti, where it pulled out troops prematurely. Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan show more promise because U.S. troops remain stationed there. Afghanistan would be making even more progress if the United States and its allies had made a bigger commitment to secure the countryside, not just Kabul.

    If we want Iraq to avoid becoming a Somalia on steroids, we'd better get used to U.S. troops being deployed there for years, possibly decades, to come. If that raises hackles about American imperialism, so be it. We're going to be called an empire whatever we do. We might as well be a successful empire.
    http://usatoday.com/usatonline/20030506/5131397s.htm

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  • #2
    Pretty good. I prefer a realistic imperialist like the author over that bunch of brain-amputated wannabe-machiavellis running the US government.

    Although, some realism seems to get lost in any case:

    "American troops remain stationed in both places more than 50 years later. That's why these two countries have become paragons of liberal democracy."

    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #3
      What is the greatest danger facing America as it tries to rebuild Iraq: blah...blah...blah...let's invade Iran...blah...blah...blah...let's conquer the world...blah...blah...blah...


      Afghanistan would be making even more progress if the United States and its allies had made a bigger commitment to secure the countryside, not just Kabul.
      This is just hilarious.

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      • #4
        Russia screwed up because they tried to secure the countryside.

        The US empire, sea to shining sea stuff is pure crap. Maybe it means something to the indians, but that's about it.
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        • #5
          Russia also screwed up because there was np point in them being there in the 1st place
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          • #6
            I see you guys know a lot about Russia.

            Experts, my ass.

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            • #7
              Ok what was the point in Russia being in Afghanistan, form the perspective of your avergae man on the street.
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              • #8
                We make raids in force to gain temporary control over an area to hunt for terrorists (remember 9/11, planes, Trade Tower, people jumping from windows?) and kill or capture them. That way we avoid what happened to the Russians.

                We'll rebuild some stuff and feed the people for a while, but that's not why we're there.
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                • #9
                  Stinger, they weren't alloted a perspective...
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                  • #10
                    I see you guys know a lot about Russia.


                    I do. Russia sucks.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lancer
                      Stinger, they weren't alloted a perspective...
                      Fair point, but if they were I'm sure they would have questioned the war jsut as people in the US did over Vietnam.(of course the whackos who think stalin was teh best thing ever would have supported it)
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                        I see you guys know a lot about Russia.


                        I do. Russia sucks.
                        Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheStinger
                          Ok what was the point in Russia being in Afghanistan, form the perspective of your avergae man on the street.
                          1) To kick American asses.
                          2) To help friendly government.
                          3) To protect our southern borders from religious extremists sponsored by USA.

                          But, I'm not argueing reasons why Russian should/shouldn't be there. I'm argueing that Russia screwed-up in Afghanistan. Aside Yanks we controled entire country almost ten years. Yanks control nothing except Kabul. As for me it is America who screwed-up in Afghanistan, not Russia,
                          But this is total threadjack. Dinodoc said we should discuss this crappy article of crappy author quoted from crappy source.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            I see you guys know a lot about Russia.


                            I do. Russia sucks.
                            Oh it's you again...

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                            • #15
                              That's a fine answer for public consumption. The problem is that it isn't true. The United States has been an empire since at least 1803, when Thomas Jefferson purchased the Louisiana Territory. Throughout the 19th century, what Jefferson called the ''empire of liberty'' expanded across the continent. When U.S. power stretched from ''sea to shining sea,'' the American empire moved abroad, acquiring colonies ranging from Puerto Rico and the Philippines to Hawaii and Alaska.
                              I'll bet few people know that Hawaii was incorporated into the United States through illegal means. Supporters of annexation overthrew the rightfully established monarchy here and made buddy-buddy with the US. Many Hawaiian historians here argue that if this illegal action had not occurred, there would be a UK-Hawaiian Kingdom pact of some sorts. Our state flag is based on the British union jack.

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