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  • #31
    So?
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #32
      Slowwy

      The main thing about NAFTA that chaps my ass is that it has made our country less self-sufficient, and more reliable on international trade and globalization. This is significant because it also makes us more vulnerable from a national security standpoint. With more trade, we have much more uninspected cargo coming in to this country. It's all fun and games until someone sneaks in a nuke, eh? But why let safety cut into the income of venture capitalists and multi-national corporations?

      NAFTA, and free-trade in general, is a good thing if only we can balance and outweigh the con's.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #33
        So?

        Your statement is biased, because it leaves the impression that the situation is as bad as 30 years ago, which it isn't. It's only 2/3rd the problem.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #34
          OK, now you want me to apologize for being among the at least 85% (or whatever) benefitting from NAFTA
          The people that benefit from NAFTA are generally only among the top 1% of income earners. And even in that bracket, the amount that are making money are an even smaller segment of the population.

          But DanS likes anything that makes him richer... even at the expense of others.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #35
            Sloww, the article you posted seems to entirely deal with the policies vis-a-vis the war with Iraq and, without explicitly mentioning it, the collapse of the tech-bubble. How do you get anything even remotely associated with NAFTA out of that?

            Edit: typos
            "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
            "you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
            "I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident

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            • #36
              The people that benefit from NAFTA are generally only among the top 1% of income earners.

              Not so.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #37
                "generally"
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #38
                  Still not so. Sorry.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #39
                    Manufacturing has been declining rapidly for quite some time in the US. The time has passed to worry about losing manufacturing jobs and continue moving into the future. Let's not complain about the progress we are making. Instead let's do more to help the people who are losing there jobs.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #40
                      No, Dan. It's worse, like I just pointed out.

                      I can tell.
                      You're one of the people that doesn't seem to grasp the concept that manufacturing is what drives a country to the highest levels.
                      Yeah, I know. ONLY 15% of the working, or not, population is in manufacturing.

                      Want to be a service industry nation?
                      Look at the South in the War Between The States.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #41
                        You're one of the people that doesn't seem to grasp the concept that manufacturing is what drives a country to the highest levels.

                        No it doesn't. It's the cush office jobs.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #42
                          The problem with something like NAFTA (beyond any wierd little restrictions/subsidies/tariffs that shouldn't be there) is that most people just don't see the positive effects. They're there, but most people aren't going to really get fired up because the cost of consumer goods dropped a bit (especially because, due to inflation, everybody tends to think the cost went up, even if the relative cost versus income dropped). They WILL get fired up, however, if they or someone they know loses his job, and can blame it on NAFTA.

                          Paul Evans was an information technology manager with a salary in the "high five figures." Now he's out of a job, having suffered a layoff. It couldn't have come at a worse time.

                          His wife, Meryl, who has only a part-time job, gave birth to a baby boy last Monday. They also have a 9-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old son.
                          That's very sad for the Evans family, but honestly, the tech bubble burst, and I don't see how NAFTA had anything to do with it.

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #43
                            Sloww,

                            Is Japan at its highest level?
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #44
                              Look at the South in the War Between The States.
                              Civil War? Operation Slave Liberation?

                              Seriously though, Sloww, you are right on.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #45
                                I know I am, wise-cracks not withstanding.
                                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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