Which person is more worthy of punishment in your eyes?

[Az]

Drogue, As been said here before, Sociopaths have no conscience. They know they're hurting someone, but see nothing wrong about it, because they can't see wrong.


I think they both should be put away.

No matter what Ramo says.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Frankychan


Sometimes death is a reward. Besides, even though these individuals committed murder, it does not change the fact that they are still human beings that have rights.

No. They commit murder they forfeit their own life. I wouldn't want neither on the face of this earth.

Shoot them both and get it over with.

[Az]

There is no reason to shoot them. I am inclined towards a death of torture by the hands of a robot.

[Drogue]

Why torture? For mental illness?

Azazel: That's exactly my point. They cannot see right from wrong. It is not that they willfully harm, but that they do not know that it is wrong. However, I have never seen any evidence that they cannot be rehabilitated, and taught that it is wrong. If they can learn not to kill, they can be released back into society without harmful effects. If they do not know it is wrong, I don't think they are responsible for their actions. They are mentally ill, and need help, not punishment.

[Giancarlo]

Released back into society? I wonder what the families of those who had their's killed would say to that! The murderers, as what they are, forfeited their own life. I don't want to live with the fear that they may kill again if released.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Sadists should be executed in the same way as they tortured others to death.

Psychopathic mass murderers should only get the standard execution.

And masochists must face the horror of the comfy chair and soft cushion!

[Az]

Originally posted by Drogue
Why torture? For mental illness?

Guy number 1 was not mentally sick.

Azazel: That's exactly my point. They cannot see right from wrong. It is not that they willfully harm, but that they do not know that it is wrong. However, I have never seen any evidence that they cannot be rehabilitated, and taught that it is wrong. If they can learn not to kill, they can be released back into society without harmful effects. If they do not know it is wrong, I don't think they are responsible for their actions. They are mentally ill, and need help, not punishment.

They cannot be rehabilitated. I saw this guy on TV, just the same type, who killed 3 kids, in Canada, was it? He's now in a psychiatric prison. He has already killed another person inside the prison. They've done an interview with him. Extremely chilling. When he was asked whether he'd do that again if he was released, he said that he was certain that he would.

I think they should be examined for the cause of this terrible illness, and then the cause should be targetted.

Fez: the families are after revenge. This is not the goddamn point.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Azazel
Guy number 1 was not mentally sick.

No, which is why it was worse, I was arguing about guy 3, who is metally sick. I tought you said both deserved torture?

Originally posted by Azazel
They cannot be rehabilitated. I saw this guy on TV, just the same type, who killed 3 kids, in Canada, was it? He's now in a psychiatric prison. He has already killed another person inside the prison. They've done an interview with him. Extremely chilling. When he was asked whether he'd do that again if he was released, he said that he was certain that he would.

Anecdotal evidence. Some cannot be rehabilitated, some can. If they cannot, a life in prison awaits, if they can be safely rehabilitated, they should be released.

Originally posted by Azazel
I think they should be examined for the cause of this terrible illness, and then the cause should be targetted.

I agree completely

Originally posted by Fez
Released back into society? I wonder what the families of those who had their's killed would say to that! The murderers, as what they are, forfeited their own life. I don't want to live with the fear that they may kill again if released.

The point is, if they can be rehabilitated, they are no longer a danger. If they cannot be, they should be locked in a mental institution, for our and their protection.

[rah]

Originally posted by Drogue
The point is, if they can be rehabilitated, they are no longer a danger. If they cannot be, they should be locked in a mental institution, for our and their protection.

Fine setiment. BUT, just who determines that they have been rehabilitated. Let's say some shrink signs off on it. Would you let them babysit your children?

We're not talking about a someone that stole a car or two, we're talking about people that killed.

RAH

[Mercator]

In the end, both guys are an equal threat to society. So to protect society and themselves, lock them up, but always with the intent of rehabiliation (whichever humane therapy is needed to achieve that).

When they're proven healthy, they can be released. This is obviously the bigest pitfall, because how can you be certain they will never fall back. Especially when the society they come back to wants them dead. That'll only push them into isolation again and back to their old habits.

So, in the mean time, help the victim's families cope with their loss and forgive the murderer.

[Az]

Anecdotal evidence. Some cannot be rehabilitated, some can. If they cannot, a life in prison awaits, if they can be safely rehabilitated, they should be released.

He's just one of many. Research on this, will you?

[St Leo]

Sadists should be executed in the same way as they tortured others to death.

Do you get to be the torturer? Does someone else get to torture you after you are done?

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Drogue
That's exactly my point. They cannot see right from wrong.

Seems like this afflicts quite a few Apolyton posters too.

[DaShi]

Very nice.

[Japher]

Guy 1: evil punk, new what was right and wrong, just disregarded it... Cannot be rehabilitated, cannot live within society, should be put to death as he has put others to death.

Guy 2: poor dude... just has no clue. Not my position to say if he can come around. I don't think any shrink would deny that he's nutz, but would I trust them to let me no when he has? Not really. Plus, 100 ppl?! This guy is no better, IMHO, than a raging bull or rabid dog... put him down, do us all a favor. Unless some shrink wants him for a study, but I'm not paying for it.