An Israeli State from the Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea

[Ming]

Damn Zylka, is that a person asking to be banned in your avatar?!?!

UGH.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Straybow
On historical possession: you were claiming Jews had none.

On legitimate conquest: How do you propose borders be established, then? Should we undo all conquests? Peru surrender Amazon basin lands back to Ecuador? Peru surrender to Spain? Peru surrender to some non-existant Incan Empire?

When we respect national boundaries we legitimize the processes that establish them, and that is conquest. Show me one country whose borders were not established by conquest, hmmm?

Gadsden Purchase. (Just being a weenie. You have a good point.)

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Ming
Damn Zylka, is that a person asking to be banned in your avatar?!?!

UGH.

What does that mean, if anything?

How does it pertain to my commenting on the ugliness of a suicide bomber?

For what reason should you or I consider a needle or a biohazard symbol a person?

[St Leo]

On legitimate conquest: How do you propose borders be established, then?

I propose that we don't do any more border establishing by conquest. Just leave them where they are now and stick to normal diplomacy.

Then what are you doing living on unlegitimately conquered indian land? You're legitimizing it's conquest by living in canada

I also said that the First Nations can't legitimately counter-conquer Canada.

When we respect national boundaries we legitimize the processes that establish them, and that is conquest.

Not if we agree to respect all national boundaries for the sake of respecting all national boundaries. Quebec separatists are swell chaps who respect national boundaries. Basque separatists, on the other hand...

Show me one country whose borders were not established by conquest, hmmm?

Uh... Norway? Belgium? I don't really care.

[Panag]

Originally posted by St Leo
On legitimate conquest: How do you propose borders be established, then?

I propose that we don't do any more border establishing by conquest. Just leave them where they are now and stick to normal diplomacy.

Then what are you doing living on unlegitimately conquered indian land? You're legitimizing it's conquest by living in canada

I also said that the First Nations can't legitimately counter-conquer Canada.

When we respect national boundaries we legitimize the processes that establish them, and that is conquest.

Not if we agree to respect all national boundaries for the sake of respecting all national boundaries. Quebec separatists are swell chaps who respect national boundaries. Basque separatists, on the other hand...

Show me one country whose borders were not established by conquest, hmmm?

Uh... Norway? Belgium? I don't really care.

hi ,

belgium was born out of conquest , .....

one country who's borders are not made by conquest , easy , there are about a dozen , ... monaco , sealand , etc , .....

have a nice day

[Alexander's Horse]

I think its clear from the historical record that area was always shared by a number of peoples.

So a political solution needs to take account of that.

[Ramo]

Such as? ( I am not disbuting the fact that William the Conqueror has indeed landed there, but doubting the fact that there is archeological evidence to the landing, the Battle of Hastings, and the existance of William the conqueror. Vikings have been landing on Britannia for many centuries. )

The Norman conquest was an extraordinarily important event at the time, and William the Bastard was an extraordinarily important person. I'm no historian, but I'm absolutely certain that there are tons of chronicles about his conquest and rule of England. The most prominent one is the Bayeux Tapestry, for instance.

Edit: Check out this site: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3532/1066mem.htm