An Israeli State from the Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea

[Straybow]

There are no valid historical claims.

Then Israel can claim legitimate conquest of the West Bank, etc. and everybody else should just shut their cakeholes.

[Az]

great avatar Siro.

[Sirotnikov]

Kropo - there was a time when you were away. And you only recently returned to posting in ME threads. You and jaako have always been fun.

Could you get on ICQ again? I want to make you computer crash again

(joking! I didn't do it! honest to god!)

[Kropotkin]

Well, the ME threads can get a bit tedious at time. Yes, really. So I haven't been up for it in a while.

[St Leo]

After the end of Babylonian captivity the Jews returned and numerically dominated the Gentile populations in the South, and gradually in areas of the North. The presence of dominant or significant population over a great length of time makes their claim to historical possession valid.

Mkay. What does historical possession have to do with anything, though?

In addition, there had been a significant Jewish population (~30%) in Jerusalem from 70 AD through the 19th century.

Though quite a few were killed by the Crusaders during their sack of Jerusalem.

Should Gaelic speaking peoples be able to claim any lands in North and West Europe just because they were there before the Germanic tribes took over? No, control is a matter of the present and it is not possible to install every displaced people into some hypothetical lands of their origin. So why Israel?

Hmm? I am not anti-Israel.

Then Israel has legitimately conquered Golan, the West Bank, Gaza, and Southern Lebanon.

No such thing as a legitimate conquest. No such thing as a legitimate counter-conquest either.

[Sirotnikov]

Though quite a few were killed by the Crusaders during their sack of Jerusalem.

which is spanky but doesn't change the fact that they still remained there.

No such thing as a legitimate conquest. No such thing as a legitimate counter-conquest either.

Then what are you doing living on unlegitimately conquered indian land? You're legitimizing it's conquest by living in canada

[Straybow]

On historical possession: you were claiming Jews had none.

On legitimate conquest: How do you propose borders be established, then? Should we undo all conquests? Peru surrender Amazon basin lands back to Ecuador? Peru surrender to Spain? Peru surrender to some non-existant Incan Empire?

When we respect national boundaries we legitimize the processes that establish them, and that is conquest. Show me one country whose borders were not established by conquest, hmmm?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by GP


Besides I have Horsie on ignore anyway. I found I don't miss anything, since he is to lazy to make real arguments anyway.

Hmmm, must have got GP real good somewhere.

[Odin]

When we talk about a Jewish homeland we are talking about southern Palestine, Judea. All that is left off the desendents of the northern kingdom is a few hundred Samariatans. So the Palestinians should get everything north of Jerusalem and the Israelis should get everything south. The Temple Mount would be controled by the UN.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by St Leo

"Chretien Rocks "

"0wnZ"

"No such thing as a legitimate conquest. No such thing as a legitimate counter-conquest either."

Then why don't you go the f*ck back to Europe? We don't want UBER******s here.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Zylka


Then why don't you go the f*ck back to Europe? We don't want UBER******s here.

Gee Zylka... looking to get banned again I see.

TONE IT DOWN AND STOP WITH THE INSULTS!
Or your next post will be your last this week.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Odin
When we talk about a Jewish homeland we are talking about southern Palestine, Judea. All that is left off the desendents of the northern kingdom is a few hundred Samariatans. So the Palestinians should get everything north of Jerusalem and the Israelis should get everything south. The Temple Mount would be controled by the UN.

hi ,

*cough*

the UN cant even control what they are supposed to be doing on the northern , eastern or southern borders of Israel , .... they have troops all around , watching this , doing that , ..... and they fail , ....

so WHY would they be in charge of the temple mount , ....

have a nice day

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ming


Gee Zylka... looking to get banned again I see.

TONE IT DOWN AND STOP WITH THE INSULTS!
Or your next post will be your last this week.

Ming is being very tolerant this week. Good to see

[Ming]

[Zylka]

Damn Azazel, is that a chemo-therapied orangutan in your avatar?!?!

UGH