Stop

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Fez, some of my best friends are leftists. Some people who I have really dislked have been rightists. It is foolish to judge a person on the basis of being a liberal or a conservative.

Originally posted by Fez

I was talking about political partisans.. I wasn't generalizing.

I share a house with a conservative Republican. We talk about politics, and we've never killed each other. --Yet.

[Q Classic]

Far from it. Parties are the start of proper democracy, with a real choice of ideology. In a non-party system only wishy-washy centrists are ever elected...

and in party-based systems, you have parties bought and sold like commodities by corporations, reckless pandering to specific voting blocs, politicians whoring themselves out just to get that one extra percentage point, and no real substantive debate on issues, solutions, and problems.

[Proteus_MST]

Maybe a truely democratic System like in Switzerland would be worth a try.

Important issues in Switzerland are not decided by any party but directly voted for or against by the Population.

[Promethus]

"Imagine I am an idiot. Now imagine I am a Congressman. But I repeat myself."

Mark Twain

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
Maybe a truely democratic System like in Switzerland would be worth a try.

Important issues in Switzerland are not decided by any party but directly voted for or against by the Population.

That might work in a country like Switzerland but not in the US.

[Imran Siddiqui]

'Cause they're wrong and we're right. Why should we concede our principles to evil?

Exactly!



Though 'wishy-washy' centrists are never a bad thing .

[loinburger]

Re: Re: Stop

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
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Do you understand now?

[Jaguar]

Re: Re: Re: Stop

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Which is why Poly debate rarely ever go anywhere. People get so caught up in "I cant be wrong or Ill look bad!" that they can't think rationally and even when they can, they intentionally argue the wrong cause so that they dont lose any honor.

I agree with you, provided that you admit that you've done that before.

Another principle we can agree on: Everyone, including yourself, is a hypocrite.

Loinburger, you know you quoted that just to be annoying.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Fez

That might work in a country like Switzerland but not in the US.

Yes, you could be right.

On the one Hand it could be that size matters.

Switzerland is a relative small country, so it would be much easier to conduct a nationwide poll.
The larger the nation the greater the efforts that have to be made to conduct the poll (and therefore the costs) and the greater are the chances that errors happen (as also seen in the last Elections in USA )

On the other Hand I assume that in USA the gap between poor and good educated people could be greater in USA than in Switzerland.
And it of course will be important for people to have a good education so they can make an informed choice in the nationwide polls.


Maybe sucn a direct Democracy would be possible for countries like Germany or Spanin though (with a Populationsize of just 40 and 80 Million compared to the 280 Million Inhabitants of the USA)

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Partisan politics is inevitable, because parties are inevitable in large, complex, diverse societies. Were we to abolish all parties tomorrow -- but not outlaw them -- they would just form all over again, as like-minded people banded together to help elect people who think as theey do and defeat people who think differently. That's all a party is.

Partisan politics is good when the parties have legitimately different visions of how a society should be governed. This leads to a healthy public debate about the direction of the society and the shape and value of its institutions.

Partisan politics is bad when the parties are indistinguishable from each other and must create a false sense of difference in order to justify their grabs at power.

Partisan politics is thus bad in the US right now, for reasons just explained.

[BeBMan]

Re: Re: Stop

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
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Do you understand now?

No, you selfish bastard!