French and Russian Collaborations with Saddam Hussein Begin to Surface

[Evil_Eric_4]

Originally posted by yago




Well, whatever, anyway, I can't wait till I see European and American ties cut.

The only thing you said that I agree with

[Drake Tungsten]

Just more evidence that the French are duplicitous bastards. This shouldn't really suprise anyone.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Darius871


Anti-American and/or anti-Bush news sources would most certainly print it. A little thing called free press.

I'm referring to the fact that the Sunday Times supposedly found the papers. I wonder if they found any folders labelled Washington in the same filing cabinet.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
There are no clean hands here.

What? You mean the US sold arms to Iraq in violation of the sanctions placed upon it in addition to the Russians!

[Darius871]

Originally posted by yago
I can't wait till I see European and American ties cut.

Originally posted by Evil_Eric_4 The only thing you said that I agree with

I'm American and I agree too (assuming your don't include Britain in 'European').

[GePap]

I love the moralizing in this thread....well, actually, not really.

Here is a simple one: if you come form a country that has never sold weapons, given money, or intelligence to a non-democratic state in order to furthe their own material, or ideological aims, raise you hands!

Any actions that broke UN sanctions were wrong and we have evry right to criticize. Actions that did not break the sanctions, well, you have a right to criticize, but only as long as you acknowledge you are throwing stones in a glass house.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Darius871
I'm American and I agree too (assuming your don't include Britain in 'European').

What I have to say about these sentiments can;t be said in public. Suffice it to say: Some of the dumbest things said in Poly in a long time.

You guys deserve some sort of collective prize for this..Do we have enough connical hats for you all?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by GePap

Here is a simple one: if you come form a country that has never sold weapons, given money, or intelligence to a non-democratic state in order to furthe their own material, or ideological aims, raise you hands!

The difference between the U.S. helping Saddam fight Iran and France helping Saddam fight the U.S. should be very clear.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by GePap

Suffice it to say: Some of the dumbest things said in Poly in a long time.

Why? With the Soviet Union gone, we have little to gain from alliance with Europe. More importantly, it seems a shaky majority of Europeans don't want to have anything to do with the U.S., so why don't we grant them their wish?

Europe has the right to unite and work for its own interests; we shouldn't shove America down their throats when they don't want it anymore.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Darius871
The difference between the U.S. helping Saddam fight Iran and France helping Saddam fight the U.S. should be very clear.

And that would be ?

[Jon Miller]

own goal

Jon Mioller

[SlowwHand]

Russia and France?
Oh, NO! Who would have ever thought...?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Spiffor

And that would be ?

1) Iran was a theocracy and the U.S. is a democracy.
2) The U.S. was an active enemy of Iran, while France is 'allied' to the U.S.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Darius871


Why? With the Soviet Union gone, we have little to gain from alliance with Europe. More importantly, it seems a shaky majority of Europeans don't want to have anything to do with the U.S., so why don't we grant them their wish?

Europe has the right to unite and work for its own interests; we shouldn't shove America down their throats when they don't want it anymore.

Did you know that the US imported 1 trillion dollars worth of capital from Europe sicne 1998? When the Us has to borrow huge Amounts cause its budget deficit is 500 billion, were do you think a lot of that capital will come, from the immense sabings of Americans? And what would happen to all those Europan investors and American investors that bet on the companies of each others to thrive?

I myself don't care for huge economic depressions and a lowering of living standars aound the globe.

If you mean to say: the Us and Europe can lower their military cooperation, fine, CUT TIES, well, NO.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Darius871


The difference between the U.S. helping Saddam fight Iran and France helping Saddam fight the U.S. should be very clear.

You do know the Us gives aid and support to many dictatorships other than we did to Iraq in the 1980's, no?

Plus, the "help" you describe is, well, meaningless. As i said before, what the hell could the French have known about US MILITARY plansd for the invasion of Iraq in sept 2001 when in fact the US had no concrete plans then?

I ams orry, but the "accusations" are nothing mroe than idooticly window-dressing non-issue. Did the French provide Iraq with billions of dolars of aid and satelite infor about US troop locations and movements? If no, then thier aid to Iraq in 2001-03 was uch less than what we gave Saddam in 1983-88.

Come back when you get some real evidence of something that mattered one bit.