I'm damn glad the protestors were ignored...

[Al B. Sure!]

Why do some people complain that the protestors were ignored by the president? of course they were ignored! they should have been ignored!

72% of americans were in favour of the war... of the remaining 28%, you can assume that probably most of them were undecided or didn't give a damn either way... my guess is less than 10% were actually against the war and most of them only because they were spiteful at Bush.

So this here goes to the US government for not giving into minoritarian politics


thanks

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

If 1% of the population was against the government, the President should have listen to them.
Democracy is about the "government of the mayority" but is also about hearing every one in the nation, even a tiny minority.

[Al B. Sure!]

Chilean President:

If the tiny minority can not form into a size-able minority by convincing others to its cause it is worthless... any nut can come up with something... some homeless person starts muttering about how the aliens from pluto are going to attack us... should the president listen and debate a pre-emptive strike on pluto?


thanks

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

I didn't meant to say that the President should do what they say, I'm saying that any point of view is valid and in a democratic society every group or person shall be heard.

Maybe I got it wrong, my girlfriend just say to me that maybe in the US "listen" to someone is "do what they say".. is that correct? Well if it is, you are right, the President shouldn't.

[Felch]

Listen generally takes on that meaning. For example, if you listen to your parents, it is assumed that you're going to do what they tell you, not just say, "Yeah, mom, sure." I suppose what you mean to say would be best expressed as "give them a fair hearing," but that's a pretty big mouthful of words.

Having tried and failed to learn modern languages myself, I would like to apologize to any non-native English speakers. It's too hard for even for most people born into the language to speak properly, and I'd hate to have to wade through all the idioms as a foreigner.

[Al B. Sure!]

well Bush obviously knew there were protestors... he even responded to them a little bit... so he did listen... i just meant i was glad the US gov't didnt take them seriously

[orange]

whatever it is doesn't change the fact that the war war wrong.

[Felch]

Having just looked at what you said the first time, it's pretty clear that you meant, "give a fair hearing," instead of "do what they say." What you said is correct the first time. But your girlfriend is right that listen often means, "do what they say."

[Nubclear]

Re: I'm damn glad the protestors were ignored...

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Why do some people complain that the protestors were ignored by the president? of course they were ignored! they should have been ignored!

72% of americans were in favour of the war... of the remaining 28%, you can assume that probably most of them were undecided or didn't give a damn either way... my guess is less than 10% were actually against the war and most of them only because they were spiteful at Bush.

So this here goes to the US government for not giving into minoritarian politics


thanks

72 percent of Americans were in favour the war.

Before i begin the "Chop down that number!" game, I want to say that I'm not going to bring up the point that the vast majority of the world was and still is against the war and that it probably goes up to at least 500,000,000 if not more. I'm not going to bring that up cause I'm just that nice.

Anyway, 72 percent of Americans were in favour of the war. Remember, 49.9 percent of Americans voted for bush, so of course they'd be for the war......That leaves 22.1 percent. Now, You have to consider that a lot of Americans believe every word the government says (no matter what government). I'd say thats about 10 percent of the remaining. That leaves 12.1 percent.
Then thre are those who claim they are democrats but swear by the republicans. I'd say thats about 2 percent. That leaves 10.1 percent.
Now, a LOT of Americans are caught up in the hyperpatriotism since 9-11. I'd say that accounts for about 10 percent.

So its reasonably safe to assume that only .1 percent of the American population is really for war for any intellectually honest reason.

thanks.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Listen generally takes on that meaning. For example, if you listen to your parents, it is assumed that you're going to do what they tell you, not just say, "Yeah, mom, sure." I suppose what you mean to say would be best expressed as "give them a fair hearing," but that's a pretty big mouthful of words.

Having tried and failed to learn modern languages myself, I would like to apologize to any non-native English speakers. It's too hard for even for most people born into the language to speak properly, and I'd hate to have to wade through all the idioms as a foreigner.

Thanks! Well in spanish listen is just that: "sure a listened, but.." and other thing is "sure I'm going to do it".

Anyway I'm not happy that he didn't listen them, but again he is not my president so if the mayority suppot him I think he was right...


EDIT: My apologies Albert for almost mixed up your thread with my lack of english language knowledge

[orange]

50% of Americans also believe Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the attacks on 9/11. What does that tell you about the 72% who support war?

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

Having just looked at what you said the first time, it's pretty clear that you meant, "give a fair hearing," instead of "do what they say." What you said is correct the first time. But your girlfriend is right that listen often means, "do what they say."

Her "I know everything and you not" smile has just being erased
thanks again

[Al B. Sure!]

Orange:

if Gore was president you wouldnt be saying that... people forget Clinton sent troops to a whole lot of places

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by orange
50% of Americans also believe Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the attacks on 9/11.

I somehow still cannot believe this figure. Where on earth did they find this idea, with all the denial that has been brought ?

[orange]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Orange:

if Gore was president you wouldnt be saying that... people forget Clinton sent troops to a whole lot of places

untrue. I'd be against the war if Gore was running the show too.

and I was against Clinton's use of force as well.