New Sheepsta publicly announces that the war of LIBERATION has begun.

[Sheep]

I have to agree there. GT, Being Australian look at the Greens. They are the closest thing we have to Social Democrats. This is what I am trying to achieve.

Now get where I am comming from. I AM NOT A DICTATOR. THE US IS JUST ANTI- SOCIALIST

[GeneralTacticus]

True, but you did station them in a disputer area, what do you expect to happen? We threaten anyone with war if they attack our troops, but since they are in our nation, that is unlikely.

We don't expect them to be attacked because they aren't there to fight, or attack anyone else. They're there, as we have said, to protect civilians. Sheep has threatened them with attack for being there, which is why we are prepared to fight him.

Very true, but please do not tar communism with that brush because of a few dictators. Else I will have to mention capitalists such as Pinochet, anarchy, and even (oh not, do not unlease the beast ) bush

I'm not trying to tar communism with that brush, but you have to admit that absicaly every communsit regime this century has turned into a dictatorship (the only exception that I know of being Nicaragua).

[GeneralTacticus]

I have to agree there. GT, Being Australian look at the Greens. They are the closest thing we have to Social Democrats. This is what I am trying to achieve.

Now get where I am comming from. I AM NOT A DICTATOR. THE US IS JUST ANTI- SOCIALIST

There are plenty of other nations which are socialist and yet are classified as democracies. You haven't been. Deal with it.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
occ: NOW THAT IS GODMODDING. **** IT ANARCHIC IF YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE MY NATION TO TRY AND RAPE MY ARSE DO SO! BUT DON:T COMPLAIN WHEN I GET PISSED OFF AND TELL YOU WHERE TO ****ING GO!

You *DO* realise that you already established yourself that Nuclear and Chemical weapons were used by those forces. There's a reason the UN says North and South Sheepsta are "notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape". Not my fault if you're ignoring context.

[Sheep]

No the fact is that Sheepsta is and still should be a jungle covered mass. This is how I envisoned it and as it is MY creation this is how it should BE!

[Archaic]

Why should it still be a jungle covered mass when there were Nukes and Chemical weapons thrown around (A fact you established yourself)? Just because you originally invisioned it as being jungle covered doesn't mean it stays that way forever. Both the "UN" and all the RPing that's taken place agree on that point. Live with it like we all do and stop whinging. Geez, if you think I originally envisioned Alecrast as being a wasteland, you must seriously be deluded. But am I complaining? NO! I'm running with it and playing the hand I've been dealt. Why can't you?

[Sheep]

Because when ****eheads like you that don;t give a **** for circumstances **** with your country it takes all the fun out of it.

Do you think I like fighting for MY nation back, NO of course not. However I am going to do it until either I win, or I discredit you in fron of everyone. You want to make it personal, its personal.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
We don't expect them to be attacked because they aren't there to fight, or attack anyone else. They're there, as we have said, to protect civilians. Sheep has threatened them with attack for being there, which is why we are prepared to fight him.

If there is a shootout, and I stand in the middle, I expect to be shot. Colateral damage. There is a war there, if you wish to station troops there, they may well get hit, through no intention of anyone else. Even by Alecrast. If you are hit by them, woudl you go to war?

Originally posted by Archaic
Why should it still be a jungle covered mass when there were Nukes and Chemical weapons thrown around

Because you can have jungle and Nuke/Chem weapons. Look at Vietnam. It's still mostly jungle. It can be jungle and barren though. That is because of anti-green policies, rather then chem weapons.

Originally posted by Sheep
it takes all the fun out of it.

That could be true. I mean, it was his nation to start with, this is supposed to be fun. How did you take it anyway? Hacked into, or started them up again with old names?

[GeneralTacticus]

If there is a shootout, and I stand in the middle, I expect to be shot.

However, you dont' expect to be shot on purpose, nor do you expect to be shot if you're standing in front of a group of innocent bystanders.

Colateral damage. There is a war there, if you wish to station troops there, they may well get hit, through no intention of anyone else. Even by Alecrast. If you are hit by them, woudl you go to war?

Only if we determined it to have been deliberate - as was our policy towards Sheepsta until they declared that they would consider any attacks on our troops to be collateral damage, rather than trying to prevent them.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Because when ****eheads like you that don;t give a **** for circumstances **** with your country it takes all the fun out of it.

The circumstances being

You were (apparently) sick
This didn't stop you from posting in taxing Diplomacy games many times, showing you were perfectly able to have continued with something as untaxing as Nationstates (Visit the site once in 21 days or get deleted, joy)
You didn't post in the Nationstates forum during that time
You didn't check your nation once during that time
You waited until about 2 weeks after your nation had died (I only did my thing 1 week after your nation died) to speak up.

I would think the circumstances do support me.

Originally posted by Sheep
Do you think I like fighting for MY nation back, NO of course not. However I am going to do it until either I win, or I discredit you in fron of everyone. You want to make it personal, its personal.

IMO, it's not your nation. You abandoned it. Do you think I like having to fight with you over it? I was looking to create an RPG situation which could lead to some interesting political manovering in the courts over if them being my protectorates was legal or not. You've turned it into another damn war.

Now, I'm not going to back down until I win RPG wise, one way or another (ie. If you make things so that there's no other solution, well...if your nation is destroyed militarily, no matter how much you complain, it's over). As for discrediting me? How do you propose to do that? You're the only one making an arse out of yourself here.

[Sheep]

I was sick and had limited time on the net. NS suffered because of it, but I was still contactable. If Anarchic had askjed I probably would of said yes, but the fact is he didn't ask and makes me think he stole it

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
I was sick and had limited time on the net. NS suffered because of it, but I was still contactable. If Anarchic had askjed I probably would of said yes, but the fact is he didn't ask and makes me think he stole it

Perfect timing.

Kindly inform me how, no matter how much limited time you had, that you could make all those posts in diplomacy and not visit the nationstates site just ONCE to maintain your nation.

That could be true. I mean, it was his nation to start with, this is supposed to be fun. How did you take it anyway? Hacked into, or started them up again with old names?

His nation died and was removed from the Nationstates system when he didn't log in for 21 days. 7 days after this happened, I did my RPG thing with it. Shortly after he came back, I started North and South Sheepsta as actual nations on the Nationstates site so I could demonstrate their social, economic and political freedoms with RPG evidence.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Drogue
Because you can have jungle and Nuke/Chem weapons. Look at Vietnam. It's still mostly jungle. It can be jungle and barren though. That is because of anti-green policies, rather then chem weapons.

As I recall, that jungle took a while to regrow, correct? Plus Vietnam never suffered the Nukes. Things grow back, but not that quickly. All this has happened in the space of less than a year RPG wise by the way I'm measuring things. Now if it was 5-10 years, then I'd concede the point.

[Drogue]

Archaic has a point, but as Sheep said, he was stil contactable. I think a PM would have solved a lot of this. However, can a compromise be reached.

Sheep: You have New Sheepsta, is it possible that you could RP and brand 'Old Sheepsta' as corrupt and that your people have moved on or something. And thus consider Old Sheepsta overtaken by other authorities, while all willign Sheepstan people,a nd their legitimate governement, have moved on to new pastures? Just an idea.

[GeneralTacticus]

As I recall, that jungle took a while to regrow, correct? Plus Vietnam never suffered the Nukes. Things grow back, but not that quickly. All this has happened in the space of less than a year RPG wise by the way I'm measuring things. Now if it was 5-10 years, then I'd concede the point.

Moreover, it took a huge reforestation campaign to repair things, and there are still many areas that have been rendered totally lifeless.