Alecrast announces peaceful annexation of former Sheepsta islands

[Sheep]

occ: Anarchic I couldn;t really care who you think you are in SMACDG, However I am not giving in, ever.


The truth is there has never been any independent inspectors. There has been no New Sheepstan WOMD, infact they were probably used by Alecrast to wipe out dissedents in the occupied territroies.

True I did not post. However I would not of done the same. The fact is Sheepsta is mine. Without Sheep it wouldn;t even be Sheepsta. Give me a break!

[Giovanni Wine]

To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

If you had troubles with the economy then we wonder why you decided to take on such a difficult and expensive work in South Sheepsta.
However the "powerhouse" economy of the Kingdom of Wine may come to your help by sending huminatarian aids to the poor people of South Sheepsta, and by planting a few Humanitarian centers.
We hope you will allow that.

Saluti

[Sheep]

To Wine:
From New Sheepsta

There is no such thing as South and North Sheepsta, only Sheepsta. We shall contiue to strive until reality matches truth.

[Archaic]

All replies in this OOC

Originally posted by Drogue

Who'se inspectors? Do we have independant corroberation of this? Under whose authority did they go in?

They've been going in over the past few pages. I think Centralis, Karakas, Jackson and Wine all sent people. And we've also got the UN descriptions of the nations on Nationstates. Of those, only Wine has voiced any concerns, and as you can see, they're being addressed.

Originally posted by Drogue
Again, I ask for evidence. Who says they have or are using WoMD? Isn't this godmodding, since you are saying what someone else has done/is doing?

I suppose it is godmodding in a fashion. However, I see it as trying to restore the status quo that Sheep here is trying to upset with his godmodding.

Originally posted by Drogue
Surely you can see that, with the differing opinions regarding this act, that this is not the case. This is anything but cut and dry.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I think it's safe to say however that even if the region does decide that Alecrast and Bulbagarden had no authority to move in, that Sheep doesn't have any authority either.

Originally posted by Drogue
Sionce this is RPing, I don't think there is ecvidence as such. However, it is contradicted by your evidence, which Sheep may dispute.

While I was saying that RP-wise, OOC I can say that I'm basically pointing out that his claims aren't even close to being plausible given the UN descriptions of the nations on Nationstates.

Originally posted by Drogue
That is true. However:
May be disputable. Moreover, even if he did surrender it, it then falls under international duristiction, and protectorship, rather than the control on any particular nation. He could claim a right to it, although as you said, he may have forfeited that, but whether you have a right to it is another issue.

Agreed, and we'll see what the courts decide on that, and both my nations will go with whatever the court decides, however I feel confident that whatever happens, the ruling will be that Sheep has forfeited his rights to it (Either by that absence, or by the fact that him declaring war on me in that new thread of his is likely to piss off the nations of the region).

Originally posted by Drogue
I think he's begining to find out

Heh. Indeed.

[Archaic]

Again, all replies OOC.

Originally posted by Sheep
occ: Anarchic I couldn;t really care who you think you are in SMACDG, However I am not giving in, ever.

Quite a lot of guts for someone who doesn't do much more than whinge.

Originally posted by Sheep
The truth is there has never been any independent inspectors. There has been no New Sheepstan WOMD, infact they were probably used by Alecrast to wipe out dissedents in the occupied territroies.

You're ignoring both the established facts from earlier in the thread, and ignoring that your claims of Alecrast/Bulbagarden aren't even close to being plausible.

Originally posted by Sheep
True I did not post. However I would not of done the same. The fact is Sheepsta is mine. Without Sheep it wouldn;t even be Sheepsta. Give me a break!

Whinge whinge, whine whine. So you wouldn't have done what I did? So what? How does that make any difference.
Big Red Rubber Stamp Attack! - "Appeal to emotion"

Here's something from the nationstates FAQ for you.

If you don't log your nation in, it will be deleted automatically in 21 days.

You didn't log in for 21 days, and your nation got deleted. I waited a further 7 days to do what I did. All during this time, you were making many posts in other forums on Apolyton. As far as I, and many others, are concerned, you abandoned your nation, and your right to it. It became part of the region, usable by anyone for plausible RPGing. And so I continued on the RPGing left off with your unfinished civil war.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

If you had troubles with the economy then we wonder why you decided to take on such a difficult and expensive work in South Sheepsta.
However the "powerhouse" economy of the Kingdom of Wine may come to your help by sending huminatarian aids to the poor people of South Sheepsta, and by planting a few Humanitarian centers.
We hope you will allow that.

Saluti

At the time we took on this work, we were fine. However, recent times have seen an economic slump in both Bulbagarden and the whole BMGf region, which is why we haven't been able to make the progress we would've liked. Any help you could send us would be welcomed most thankfully by both Bulbagarden and the people of the Protectorate of South Sheepsta.

[GeneralTacticus]

Should any further funding to social programs in North or South Sheepsta be required, Centralis is prepared to send as much as necessary.

[Archaic]

That would be most appreciated. While we discuss where that aid might best be directed, it would be appreciated if your country, and others, might be to send inspectors and media reporters. Alecrast and Bulbagarden troops are well equiped to deal with the minimal threat offered by "New Sheepsta" now that they've come out and attacked us, we would appreciate it if you could help us demonstrate to the region just what these people are about and doing, and what we have done.

[GeneralTacticus]

Well, reporters from Centralis National Television are already there in force, but the outbreak of open war will very likely draw reporters from other media outlets like moths to a flame. We are now also sending additional inspectors, per your request, and are willing to send more troops to help defend against the 'New Sheepstan' paramilitaries if the local governments desire.

[Mr. President]

After watching the Lord-Captain Archaic's latest address, Praetor Shinzon offers Alecrast the use of Dakmoristani ports and airfields in putting down the insurgency of New Sheepsta.



OOC: Hey, would it be easier if there were only one thread, a "message center" like they used to have at CFC?

[Archaic]

I don't doubt the local governments of North and South Sheepsta will make such a request shortly. While we are moving in troops to support, it's their troops that are taking the brunt of the fighting at the moment, and I can certainly understand how they'd feel when they've only just gone through a Civil War.


While that is appreciated Dakmoristan, we're able to launch most of our craft directly from Alecrast to Sheepsta. Bulbagarden however may contact you about that offer. You'd be a much closer base of operations for their air force than the Bulbagarden mainland would be.

O.O.C. It probably would be a lot easier with just one thread, yes. I don't see any chance of that now though. Sheep doesn't exactly play by the rules to begin with.

[GeneralTacticus]

OOC: Besides, if we wound up with several crises occuring side by side, it might get a bit hard to keep track of what was happening where.

[Giovanni Wine]

To: New Sheepsta
From: Wine

For as much as we agree that Sheepsta should be united once again, you have no rights in declaring war against your own people, how can you pretend to rapresent the whole of Sheepsta island, as you claim, while you are at war with your brothers and sisters.
All Wine really cares about is the welldoing of the Sheepstan people, we frankly don't really care if they are under one sheepsta or the other sheepsta, it is the people we care about, not the country.
I suggest you recall your troops and allow diplomatic talks once again.

Saluti

[Drogue]

No-one seems to play by the rules. Archaic: you posted that they use WMDs, or would if they had them, which is presuming a lot, since you don't know if Sheep would. You have said that there have been inspectors from the main UN body, something that I was unaware of, and to my knowledge, no judge, not the UN delegate, has authorised such an expedition. You have stated that they are corrupt and you are not.

While I agree that Sheep has been at least as bad as you, and I am not condoning their actions, this is all stuff that you have no or little right to say, since you do not know about their nation. I don't have a problem with it, but I do take issue with you accusing Sheep of breaking the rules, while you yourself do similar things. Would someone like to write a set of RP rules, possibly based on NES ones, so that we all can know what is acceptable and what is not, since I am a little confused as to the accusations being thrown around.

Also, I am rather surprised that many judicial candidates seem willing to rule before the case has started, and before any evidence has been presented.

[Drogue]

Akiria echos wines concerned for the people of Sheepsta. However, are they at war with North/South Sheepsta, or are they at war with Alecrast and Bulbagarden? Though we would like them to withdraw anyway, and take this to the court for a legitimate solution (and the only one other than total annihalation for themselves ) if they are killing Sheepstans, it significantly weakens their case in my eyes. It is hard to claim to unite the countries when you are killing their people.