Alecrast announces peaceful annexation of former Sheepsta islands

[Malleus]

Upper Riis offers itself as a member of the Tribunal. We vow, in keeping with our traditions, to explore the subject objectovely and fairly.

M

[Sheep]

occ: All I have said that the Alecrast and Bulagarden takeover of my nation was not legal and nt as peaceul as they claim. I have started cleansing those ho activley support the occupiers and have started a gurella camaign for the lieraion of the entire island.

Anarchic get over it.

The people of Sheepsta long oppressed by those who seek to destroy our spirit and those who occupy our homes are the only people who we attack. This is NOT terorism, this is WAR.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
occ: All I have said that the Alecrast and Bulagarden takeover of my nation was not legal and nt as peaceul as they claim.

It is a claim which was already confirmed by the international inspectors.

Originally posted by Sheep
I have started cleansing those ho activley support the occupiers and have started a gurella camaign for the lieraion of the entire island.

ie. I'm killing civilians, and my idea of "liberation" is when I'm in power, even though the other side is the legitimate government.

Originally posted by Sheep
Anarchic get over it.

You're the one who seems to need to get over things. For someone who said that they're "trying to keep it civil" and that they had "no personal grudge", you certainly do seem that way.

Originally posted by Sheep
The people of Sheepsta long oppressed by those who seek to destroy our spirit and those who occupy our homes are the only people who we attack. This is NOT terorism, this is WAR.

You are killing Sheepstan Civilians on purpose with biological and chemical agents. That is terrorism. There are no people "occupying your homes", and there is certainly no oppression.

[Sheep]

Where the hell did you get the bilogical and chemical agents. New Sheepsta only wishes for the liberation of Sheepsta from opression. Freign troops and their lackeys that willingly support the oppressors are the TARGETS. Not Sheepstan civilians. We hold not weapons of mass destruction or ish none. Once the unification is complete, the New Sheepstan constituion will be implemented.

Three things are of notice

1/ New Sheepsta is to be an independent unified and neutral nation
2/ NO weapons of mass destruction are to be held in New Shepsta
3/New Sheepstan military is prohibited from depolying overseas.

Now on top of this there is a vow for 10 years that there will be not trading relations or anything with Alecarst or Bulbaarden

This is what you are worried about aren't you?

[Sheep]

Anther causual note. North and South Shepsta have gone from being outright annexed to protectorates to seperate states. In truth these puppets are not supported except through fear. The UN has been fooled they are shown those lackeys loyal to these opressors and nothing els

[Archaic]

*Points up towards the long post he made earlier*
Your so called "New Sheepsta" is a loose confederation of paramilitaries who are the remaints of the rebal forces of Cardinal Ew, who the world already knows threw Nukes at Fort Jesus during the Sheepsta Civil War. Your words are *worthless* when we already know them to be false.

Furthermore, "Annex" has already been clarified as being the incorrect terminology, and we corrected ourselves, as you'd easily see if you even bothered to read Alecrast statements. They are correctly termed "protectorates". While it is true that they elect people to the Alecrast and Bulbagarden national parliments, this is not to make them a part of these nations, but to ensure that the governments of those nations look out for the best interests of the protectorates. And, as the UN and Wine have both validated, their interests are being well served.

[Jack_www]

Again I think people are missing the point. The whole issues is not which government treats the people better or is the best it is who has a legal right in controlling those lands.

[Archaic]

Then that is a cut and dry case.

The so called "United Socialist States of New Sheepsta" are a group who came about from the remaints of the paramilitary organisation led by Cardinal Ew until his execution, now led by "Ew Bastard", which were declared traitors to Sheepsta by the previous government of Sheepsta. These are the people who lost the Sheepstan Civil Warm and who used a Nuclear Weapon on Fort Jesus, ironically enough the same place which they currently occupy.

Alecrast and Bulbagarden both moved in at the request of the Sheepstan Citizens Council following the dissolution of the Sheepstan Government in the wake of numerous terrorist attacks by the New Sheepstan forces. The status of North and South Sheepsta as protectorates of the two nations was ratified by a general referendum. The results of this referendum have never been invalidated, though some countries have had concerns over the process. Both Alecrast and Bulbagarden have expressed a desire for full compliance with the wishes of the court and the region, and are willing to hold repeat referendums with international minders to again ratify these states being protectorates.

[Mr. President]

The legal case seems clear enough. In the absence of an indigenous government, and upon the request of the indigenous population, Alecrast and Bulbagarden were well within their rights to create the Protectorates.

[Giovanni Wine]

To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

We hope that you will take into account our requests to leave the administration of South Sheepsta to the international community, unless of course we see that the conditions of the poor people in Southern Sheepsta have improved.

Saluti

[Sheep]

These paramilitries you call them would not support the egalitarian and socialist regime of New Sheepsta, Alecrast. We do not see any point in telling you this though, but Cardinal Ew was a dictator using myth and legend to keep in power.

New Sheepsta offically does NOT believe in a god. The fact is that the people under you are oppressed by Alecrastian and Bulbagarden companies seeking to extend their profits from the disunited Sheepstan people.

New Sheepsta seeks nothing but reunification and will not respect any other outcome. This Ew Bastard is not our leader but a terrorist leader who masqurades as ours. New Sheepsta has not activley engaged the wider world, but now it is time to do so. Our leader Comrade Secretary Nick Nubriyah. Secretary Nubriyah laughs at the Alecrastian definitions of the Sheepstan occupied zones. First annexation, then protectorates then fully independent, now once again protectorates.

As for the claim of the Sheepstan Citizens Council, of which Nubriyah was a part of, they were coerced by Alecrastian Yokuzawa men, for basis of their 'ligetemate' occupation of our sovereign lands.

Once again we itterte we do not posses weapons of mass destruction and do not seek to. We strike at only those we are at war with, The oppressor occupation governments, their lackeys and the armies of Alecrast and Bulbagarden. We seek no harm on any civilian that wither is not in Sheepsta or does not activley and enthusiastically support this illegal and immoral occupation.

Socialism, true egalitarianism shall come to Sheepsta. The Sheepstan people shall be reunitied. Alecrast you have found yourself a Vietnam in the dense jungles of our homeland.

occ: Effecitvely the reason why this has happened is that I fell rather ill and could not keep the country up. When I returned I took it slowly and gradualy began restarting what I could not do. Nation States was not the first. However without asking me Anarchic whom Sheepsta has had wars with Alecrast in the past just came and took it over.

I feel this injust and not sportsmanlike. After all I would not seek to take over someone elses hard work for mere 'enjoyment' However in Anarchic's words 'I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want'.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
To: Bulbagarden
From: Wine

We hope that you will take into account our requests to leave the administration of South Sheepsta to the international community, unless of course we see that the conditions of the poor people in Southern Sheepsta have improved.

Saluti

And they will in time, however we cannot guarentee an overnight success story. While we try and provide as much money towards welfare as possible, our economy is not as strong as that of Alecrast, and the flow of aid money to South Sheepsta is not what we would like it to be, especially when this has happened during a period of gradual political reforms within our own nation.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
I feel this injust and not sportsmanlike. After all I would not seek to take over someone elses hard work for mere 'enjoyment' However in Anarchic's words 'I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want'.

OOC:
What a way to take my words totally out of context. Firstly, I said "I don't care", not "I simply couldn;t care what you think, I am going to do what ever I want." See the difference? I certainly do.

Secondly, I said that in reply to you saying *I* was godmodding. Let me give you a little lesson here.
Godmodding for the purpose of personal gain = Evil
Godmodding for the purpose of restoring the status quo that was upset by someone else godmoddig = Necessary and acceptable
Godmodding for the purpose of screwing yourself up (eg. The attack on Alecrast) = Acceptable if there's a lag in RPing.

Now, let me point out something here. If you were sick or not is irrelevant to this whole thing. You posted numerous times on other forums at Apolyton, demonstrating that you could easily have done something. You abandoned your nation. I waited a full 7 days after Nationstates flushed Sheepsta after the system to do what I did. You made not a single post on this forum telling people about this, you made not a single action to reclaim your nation until *days* after what I did. If you don't understand what that means, it means you surrendered your rights to the nation.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
These paramilitries you call them would not support the egalitarian and socialist regime of New Sheepsta, Alecrast. We do not see any point in telling you this though, but Cardinal Ew was a dictator using myth and legend to keep in power.

Which is why they seem to make up your entire population?

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta offically does NOT believe in a god.

So? Alecrast and Bulbagarden have no state religions either, and their religious advisors are both former School Teachers who are both Athiests.

Originally posted by Sheep
The fact is that the people under you are oppressed by Alecrastian and Bulbagarden companies seeking to extend their profits from the disunited Sheepstan people.

We're hearing the same retoric and lies here, but still you fail to accept the fact that the evidence supports what we are saying, not what you are saying. Even Wine has validated that, for North Sheepsta at least, and they seem willing to allow Bulbagarden and its slow and steady approach to prove itself.

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta seeks nothing but reunification and will not respect any other outcome.

Then you are likely to be disappointed.

Originally posted by Sheep
This Ew Bastard is not our leader but a terrorist leader who masqurades as ours.

Glad to hear it. Now prove it. How could he be able to do that in the first place? It seems to me that you're working for him and are just saying these things. Afterall, why haven't you appeared to us before?

Originally posted by Sheep
New Sheepsta has not activley engaged the wider world, but now it is time to do so. Our leader Comrade Secretary Nick Nubriyah.

Hello Mr. Impostor. Glad to see you couldn't even get your title right. Secretary being below Chairman ("Ew Bastard") afterall.

Originally posted by Sheep
Secretary Nubriyah laughs at the Alecrastian definitions of the Sheepstan occupied zones. First annexation, then protectorates then fully independent, now once again protectorates.

When did we say they were fully independant at this point in time (Though we are of course moving towards that)? Don't blame the fact that you can't understand the political terminology on us.

Originally posted by Sheep
As for the claim of the Sheepstan Citizens Council, of which Nubriyah was a part of, they were coerced by Alecrastian Yokuzawa men, for basis of their 'ligetemate' occupation of our sovereign lands.

Which is why half the land is a protectorate of Bulbagarden? I see no evidence to back up this claim. But please, if you have any, present it to the inspectors. I'd rather like to hear what my Yokuza units have done.
Though.....checking this roster here, I see no "Nick Nubriyah" as ever being a part of the council.

Originally posted by Sheep
Once again we itterte we do not posses weapons of mass destruction and do not seek to.

Which is why North and South Sheepsta have been attacked by biological and chemical weapons, and you previously nuked Fort Jesus during the Civil War.

Originally posted by Sheep
We strike at only those we are at war with, The oppressor occupation governments, their lackeys and the armies of Alecrast and Bulbagarden.

Which is why you kill civilians?

Originally posted by Sheep
We seek no harm on any civilian that wither is not in Sheepsta or does not activley and enthusiastically support this illegal and immoral occupation.

So in other words.....if the citizens like being under the protection of Alecrast or Bulbagarden, you're going to kill them. Thanks for clarifying.

Originally posted by Sheep
Socialism, true egalitarianism shall come to Sheepsta. The Sheepstan people shall be reunitied. Alecrast you have found yourself a Vietnam in the dense jungles of our homeland.

If only there were still dense jungles. If you haven't noticed, the heavy use of Agent Orange during the Civil War by your own forces really wrecked it.




OOC:
Don't you just love Sheep's war protestor mentality? Yell "It's evil and immoral" at the top of your lungs over and over, without offering any proof that isn't contradicted by the actual evidence, and making up evidence on the spot if necessary, until people get sick of it and cave in to shut you up. Perhaps the SMACDG people here should tell him exactly who he's got involved with here.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Archaic
It is a claim which was already confirmed by the international inspectors.

Who'se inspectors? Do we have independant corroberation of this? Under whose authority did they go in?

Originally posted by Archaic
You are killing Sheepstan Civilians on purpose with biological and chemical agents. That is terrorism. There are no people "occupying your homes", and there is certainly no oppression.

Again, I ask for evidence. Who says they have or are using WoMD? Isn't this godmodding, since you are saying what someone else has done/is doing?

Originally posted by Archaic
Then that is a cut and dry case.

Surely you can see that, with the differing opinions regarding this act, that this is not the case. This is anything but cut and dry.

Originally posted by Archaic
without offering any proof that isn't contradicted by the actual evidence, and making up evidence on the spot if necessary.

Sionce this is RPing, I don't think there is ecvidence as such. However, it is contradicted by your evidence, which Sheep may dispute.

Originally posted by Archaic
You abandoned your nation. I waited a full 7 days after Nationstates flushed Sheepsta after the system to do what I did. You made not a single post on this forum telling people about this, you made not a single action to reclaim your nation until *days* after what I did.

That is true. However:

Originally posted by Archaic
If you don't understand what that means, it means you surrendered your rights to the nation.

May be disputable. Moreover, even if he did surrender it, it then falls under international duristiction, and protectorship, rather than the control on any particular nation. He could claim a right to it, although as you said, he may have forfeited that, but whether you have a right to it is another issue.

Originally posted by Archaic
Perhaps the SMACDG people here should tell him exactly who he's got involved with here.

I think he's begining to find out