Military Strengths

[Giovanni Wine]

I must agree many military stats are way off, I hope you guys were not refering to me, after all I'm 13th in Defence Per Capita spending and my economy level generally goes up and down between All-Consuming and Powerhouse.

If you were instead refering to m as well, tell me where you think I exaggerated and I'll reduce that branch.

P.S.
Sheep, I do agree with Archaich your military is a bit too much, espacially considering your nations are rather young, and that you have just got out from an occupation by another country, therefore you had to rebuild your military from scratches in there.

Please be reasonable my friend, you are asking too much from your country, if you continue like this it will collaspe in a very short time.

Saluti

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Archaic
*Points to Sheeps new stats in the new thread* Anyone want to tell him how insane his numbers are?

I thought his navy is implausibly large. Haven't checked the rest of the numbers, though

Originally posted by Sheep
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):100,500

Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70

Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 400
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 130
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000

Most of the numbers I found excessive. I would like to know how Sheepsta got a bigger military force than the US?

[Drogue]

I have the biggest per capita military, and the largest nation. Mine might be too low, sicne other nations in RP have got higher per capita spending than me, which the game states cannot be true.

[Archaic]

Are you sure that they have higher per-capita spending? Which nations exactly? By both RP and the statistics, I have the arguably the largest economy in the region, so if you're talking about me, that could account for some of it.

[Sheep]

Urban I am currently reviewing these.
Goivanni, Yes indeed however New Sheepsta, has been around for a while now, and the very fact that half the nation was occupied and the fact New Sheepsta is always geared for a war with the potential enemy that Alecrast is, is reason ernough for the dissportinal size of the military. When someone threatens your existence you must take every step possible to deter their motives.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Urban I am currently reviewing these.
Goivanni, Yes indeed however New Sheepsta, has been around for a while now,

Not long enough for an army of that size.

Originally posted by Sheep
and the very fact that half the nation was occupied

1) Godmod. It was 7/8th. Firing Ignore Cannons!

2) Godmod. It was not an occupation. Alecrast troops were only ever deployed to protect the borders of the protectorates once "New Sheepsta" rose up, and in the initial administration changeover phase to eliminate the groups loyal to Cardinal Ew. Firing Ignore Cannons!

Originally posted by Sheep
and the fact New Sheepsta is always geared for a war with the potential enemy that Alecrast is, is reason ernough for the dissportinal size of the military.

It's reason enough to maintain the largest possible armed forces you can maintain. However, your armed forces are too large and too well equipped (In terms of weapons and weapons platforms (ie. Tanks, etc, Naval Vessels and Aircraft, etc) to be maintained by an economy and a population the size of Sheepsta's!

Originally posted by Sheep
When someone threatens your existence you must take every step possible to deter their motives.

Exactly our point. You've gone beyond taking every step possible and tried to take impossible steps.

[Mr. President]

But the problem is that a military buildup against Alecrast would trigger a military buildup by Alecrast, and by the Treaty of Fonseca, and by other nearby nations like Karakas that are closely affiliated with Alecrast. In other words, an arms race.

Considering that most of those nations are capitalist paradises, would Sheepsta and its allies have the resources to keep up such a race without the bottom falling out of their economies?

[Sheep]

Ahh but you forget my friend. I have friends in this region and others who can supply me with weapons. Under Lend-Lease agreements. Also the Dominion of Jobedpet where the government of Sheepsta retired to.

Also what you call 'protection' I call 'occupation' As I am Sheepsta and you are not, my views on the subject count for more than yours. The protectorates of North and South Sheepsta was a thinly veiled attempt to legitimase your annexation measures.

[Sheep]

and also I have statred that with all my numbers, I am redifining them as I get the chance, top make them more realistic. You may of missed that post, in you blind fury to try and show me up? yes?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sheep
Ahh but you forget my friend. I have friends in this region and others who can supply me with weapons. Under Lend-Lease agreements. Also the Dominion of Jobedpet where the government of Sheepsta retired to.

Maybe so, but you still have to be a bit more realistic, taking your population and economy into account. Since Sheepsta is right next to the Dominion of Noosland, we are gravely concerned.

[Sheep]

and the other thing I forgot to mention is that by the tiome you started to accuse me of this I had already redifined the numbers. perhaps you need to look again?

[Archaic]

You mean these excuses for numbers that you posted yesterday? Still too high!

Originally posted by Sheep
The Treaty of Mt. Gravatt

The Unified States of Sheepsta and the Dominion of Jobepet

Population: 290 million and 50 million in the Dominion.
Capitals: Chopsu, SCT and Port Gitsham, Dominion of Jobedpet.

Army
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Troops: 2,000,000
Reserves (work other jobs can be calledup in wartime) every males between 16 - 40.
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):100,500
Tank Crews: 370,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Marines
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Troops: 1,000,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 9,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 9,000
Trasport Helicopters: 5,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 600,000
Reverses: 300,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 10
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 125
AEGIS Destroyers: 50
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: Classified
Attack Subs: 50
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified



The Confederacy of New Griffith

Population: 356 million
Capital: Nathan

Army
--------------------
Troops: 3,000,000
Reservists(Work other jobs,payed 10,000 extra a year.): 3,500,000
Paratroopers: 1,000,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):100,500
Tank Crews: 370,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000

Confederate Spec Ops.
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Troops: 1,500,000
Attack Helicopters: 3,564
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 50,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 10,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 6,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 200
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70

Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: classified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified

Democratic State of Neveria

Population: 36 million
Capital: Tortilla

Army
--------------------
Troops: 1,000,000
National Guard(reserves, not on full pay): 500,000
Paratroopers: 50,000
Spec/Ops: 10,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):1,500
Tank Crews: 3,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 1,000
APC: 2,000
Self propelled Artillery: 2,000
Rocket Artillery: 1,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 70,472
Support Troops: 70,000


Marines
-------------------
Troops: 500,000
Reverses: 100,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 8
Destoryers: 9
Attack Helicopters: 80
Transport Helocpters : 55

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 20,000
Reverses: 30,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 5,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 1,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 20
Attack Helicopters: 4,000
Trasport Helicopters: 2,000
Rescue Helicopters: 1,000
Slealth Bombers: 5
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers: 30 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 100,000
Reverses: 300,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : none
Naval Aircraft: 1,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 20
AEGIS Destroyers: 10
Missle Cruisers: 30
Missle Destroyers: 13
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 6
Attack Subs: 15
Transport ships: 1,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 1,000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 500
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified

Free Republic of Pax Sheepus
Population: 5 million
Capital: Romus Sheepus

Army
--------------------
Troops: 30,000
Paratroopers: 500
Spec/Ops: 100
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):100
Tank Crews: 370
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100
APC: 200
Self propelled Artillery: 23
Rocket Artillery: 10
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700
Support Troops: 700

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 1,000
Reverses: 6,000
Support Crew: 3,000
Fighters: 80
Fighter/bombers: 50
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 30
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 1
Attack Helicopters: 100
Trasport Helicopters: 80
Rescue Helicopters: 70
Slealth Bombers: 5
Air Transport Planes: 10
Air Fuel Tankers:9 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 9,000
Reverses: 3,000
Support Crew: 4,000
Air Craft Carriers :
Naval Aircraft: 10
AEGIS Cruisers: 2
AEGIS Destroyers: 5
Missle Cruisers: 6
Missle Destroyers: 3
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 2
Attack Subs: 10
Transport ships: 50
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 300
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 10
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified

[Sheep]

I beg to differ. and I am sure others will also.

[Archaic]

Bull**** Sheep. To take one of the possibily more extreme examples, Neveria has over 1/36th of its entire population in the army alone!?!?! (ie. Not counting the Navy or Air Force.) If you think this is an acceptable figure, then go back to the hospital and have your head examined again.

[Sheep]

I forgot to add that the populations are not updated there. Also If you forget Australia with a population of 4 million in 1900 they had an armed forces of 100,000. Work that out will ya. It would be about the same.

AND WILL YOU STOP DISPUTING EVERYTHING I DO. If someone else does I will listen, but you seem toi do just because I did it, so I am going to Ignore your objections.