Military Strengths

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by Archaic
Heh. Indeed. Anyone have the URL for that big rant about military relative to economy and population that was posted on the NS forums?

For the third time in this thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13017

[Archaic]

Thanks GT.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic
*Points to Sheeps new stats in the new thread* Anyone want to tell him how insane his numbers are?

Archaic, perhaps you have missed the fact that thats allmy nations. Even so it is no more than what Alecrast has to proportion. Perhaps you should be thinking seriously before youtry and stir more ****e up. I am getting tired of your childish antics.

[Archaic]

Bull**** Sheep. Your military strengths are not on the same proportion as mine are. For New Sheepsta & Jobepet, you've got around 10 million people in the army, or one in every thirty five or so; that means around 7.5% of your workforce. In proportion to their populations, and to the strength of their economies, these are by far insane numbers.

As for stirring up ****, if you keep posting obviously insane numbers, of course I'm going to point it out, and that's not childish. I'm not picking on you Sheep, it's just that you're more blantant than everyone about it.

[Sheep]

Is that so. Well when a nation such as Sheepsta has a neighbour whom thinks they can say that they are not a soverign nation and has occupied the nation before, the government would be stupid not to spend so much on the armed forces.

Besides remember I have a socialist economy. I don't need use money to fund my works as the government owns everything.

[Archaic]

Sheep, look at the military rankings today. You spend less of your GDP on military by percentages than I do on mine, and I have a much bigger GDP than you do to boot. And having a socialist economy makes no difference to that. You don't have enough resources (labour, capital or physical inputs) to surpass me.

EDIT: Oh, and BTW. I consider your comment about the government owning everything as an admission that you nationalized the industry, including the Alecrast and Bulbagarden companies which are suing you. Thanks for that.

[Sheep]

Sue all you want, you wont get anything because as far as Sheepsta is concerned the Alecrastian occupation was illegal and that the Sheepstan law of no private enterprise shallbe upheld, which not only was in place before your occupation but in effect as well.

Perhaps next time the companies should reconsider their investments.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Sue all you want, you wont get anything because as far as Sheepsta is concerned the Alecrastian occupation was illegal and that the Sheepstan law of no private enterprise shallbe upheld, which not only was in place before your occupation but in effect as well.

The United States of Sheepsta allowed private enterprise, only the Holy Empire of Sheepsta didn't. You lose there. You stole private Property Sheep, and it amazes me that you don't see something wrong with that.

Originally posted by Sheep
Perhaps next time the companies should reconsider their investments.

They fully expected that Alecrast, with the Minister for Defence being the CEO of Nukes4U, would invade "New Sheepsta" and never let anything like that come to pass. It was a very sound investment, and only some of the most unlikely circumstances made it bottom out in the end.

[Sheep]

Ahhh, I stole private property. Two things, one I should know my nation better than you, and I do. Two what about when you stole my nation.

As for your invasion plan. Any attempt to even come within 50miles of the island, would result in a full nuclear war destroying us both and most of the region with us. Now do you really want to push the elected President of Sheepsta, because he starting to get really pissed off!

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Ahhh, I stole private property. Two things, one I should know my nation better than you, and I do. Two what about when you stole my nation.

1) You should, but you don't seem to, because the United States of Sheepsta clearly allowed Private Industry

2) I never stole your nation Sheep. It got deleted, and then I used the island of Sheepsta (Which was no longer yours) for my own RP purposes. Though what relevance this has to the point at hand is beyond me. Even if I had "stolen" it, that's a very different thing to you stealing private property from firms in game (Firms which came from MANY countries BTW, not just Alecrast.)

Originally posted by Sheep
As for your invasion plan. Any attempt to even come within 50miles of the island, would result in a full nuclear war destroying us both and most of the region with us. Now do you really want to push the elected President of Sheepsta, because he starting to get really pissed off!

Now I know what your problem is. You never read what I post, you only skim and read what you want to read. There are no invasion plans Sheep. Read the post again. I said that the businesses had fully expected that we would invade THEN. ie. Before you could even get the court involved back then.

And as for your pitiful threats......HA! Like your nukes could get through my ABM system. And I fail to see how it'd destroy the region unless you were firing them at other nations. You're the one pushing things Sheep. Your military is pitiful compared to Alecrasts in everything except your head. The stats you released are way out of line, both for Sheepsta and the rest of your nations. Sad fact you need to face up to. Alecrast alone could conquer your entire alliance if it wanted to. Don't push it, or it might just decide to remove these dangerous dictators from its borders.....

[Sheep]

1/ THE UNITED STATES OF SHEEPSTA DID NOT ALLOW PRIVATE ENTERRISE. I KNOW. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PROVE THAT IT DID EVERYDAY UP UNTIL IT LEFT THE NS SERVERS< WHATS THAT? YOU CAN"T? WHAT A BLOODY SHAME!

2/ I was merely stating that i you tried anything so foolish or enact any plancs you do have you would be destroyed.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
1/ THE UNITED STATES OF SHEEPSTA DID NOT ALLOW PRIVATE ENTERRISE. I KNOW. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PROVE THAT IT DID EVERYDAY UP UNTIL IT LEFT THE NS SERVERS< WHATS THAT? YOU CAN"T? WHAT A BLOODY SHAME!

[OOC]
Apparently you think resorting to all caps, blatant lies, and manifest absurdities will help you win the argument rather than just make you look like an idiot. The burden of proof is upon you Sheep to prove that they didn't, even though they were a Left-Leaning College State (For the Americians, when they say "Left" in this, they're refering to those wanting greater civil liberties, not any economic issues) or Inoffensive Centrist Democracy for most of that time, neither of which are inheriently socialist forms of government.
[/OOC]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted
2/ I was merely stating that i you tried anything so foolish or enact any plancs you do have you would be destroyed.

[OOC]
Or rather, that Sheepsta would *try* to destroy me. Which it wouldn't be able to. And bull****. You made those statements as if those plans were current, and we both know it. Your first language is English, you have no excuses.
[/OOC]

[Sheep]

Dude, no youmade the accustaion, last time I looked in our counrty that means youhave to prove your allegation. you cannot. Therefore Private Enterprise was never allowed in my nation. And off the record, even if it wasn'mentioned in NS, which it was, I could say I passed the law in RP and you would still have to work with it.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Dude, no youmade the accustaion, last time I looked in our counrty that means youhave to prove your allegation. you cannot. Therefore Private Enterprise was never allowed in my nation.

[OOC]
I'm not the one saying manifest absurdities Sheep. Though I don't even need to prove it now that I consider things. It was allowed under the protectorates, and none of us deny that. Check how long that saga went on for in RL, then compare that to how long we consider a day in RL to be in RP. More than enough years Sheep (Indeed, it's over a decade), and the government was considered legitimate by the court, even though you like to conventiently ignore the fact, such as you did earlier, again calling it an "illegal occupation" when it was neither illegal (The courts only ordered another election. If the protectorates were illegal and illigitimate, they would have just been kicked out), nor an occupation (I stated they were protectorates, therefore as far as RP is concerned, they are. Remember, the only military I had in there was standing on the New Sheepsta border repelling your weak attacks).
[/OOC]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Sheep
And off the record, even if it wasn'mentioned in NS, which it was, I could say I passed the law in RP and you would still have to work with it.

[OOC]
Nope. If you say you passed the law in RP but NS still said that's not the case, then in RP, as far as everyone else should be concerned, you're lying.
[/OOC]

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Sheep
Is that so. Well when a nation such as Sheepsta has a neighbour whom thinks they can say that they are not a soverign nation and has occupied the nation before, the government would be stupid not to spend so much on the armed forces.

That's as may be, but a country that tried to maintain such a gigantically out-of-proportion army would collapse. Quite promptly.

Besides remember I have a socialist economy. I don't need use money to fund my works as the government owns everything.

I'm not sure that would do it.

And even socialist economies use money.