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  • #46
    Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
    No, it's not a start. It's a pile of crap. When it ranks Auldoninna as being just behind the Hive (which is the biggest military power in the region and is over two and a half times bigger than Auldoninna in both population and economic strength), and twice as big as Centralis, which has similar size advantages and was quite high on the military spending list last time, then you know somebody's made a mistake.

    aghh i see when we get a system that says you are the biggest it will beaccepted

    as for size of natio n, why is that relevant, if it was india would have a military 3-4 times that the size of USA...

    and woh said the hive are the biggest military power in the region ??? where did that come from ?? and econmic strength it certianly not twice my size... agai nwhere do you get those numbers from....
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    • #47
      A few days ago on Nation States the ranking was "largest defence industry" or something. The Hive and the High Heavens were 1-2, IIRC.
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      • #48
        Also... I know I should be at the bottom of any system's list, and I have a problem with this one, not necessarily because of the results it gives, but because there is absolutely no indication of how or why it gives the results it does.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Urban Ranger
          Exactly, when it told me that Auldoninna is at least twice as big as my other nation, which got 1/3 more population than them and has a 'Frightening' economy.
          thats because it builds into its calculation the fact you have a defnece as a priority , if you hav ebeen asnwering issues differntly in nationstates then your military will be smaller...

          to me it seems it jsut bases the numbers on pop size, econmy rating and your defence policys and a relgios state gets extra defendrs...


          that al lseems to be ok to me... numbers may not be exact science but it gives sometihng to compare too..
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          • #50
            aghh i see when we get a system that says you are the biggest it will beaccepted
            It will be accepted when it conforms to some basic notion of reality. The fact that I will be ranked quite highly is a side-effect.

            as for size of natio n, why is that relevant, if it was india would have a military 3-4 times that the size of USA...
            I see my point regarding the economy sailed right over your head. India does have a stronge rmiltiary than the US because it can't afford one. If India's GDP per capita wa son the same elvel as the US, you can bet they'd have a much stronger military.

            and woh said the hive are the biggest military power in the region ??? where did that come from ?? and econmic strength it certianly not twice my size... agai nwhere do you get those numbers from....
            Oh, I don't know... perhaps from the NS site we're all RPing from? The Hive is one of the biggest nations in Apolyton in population, has consistently been the biggest when it comes to per capita military spending, and comes out at the top for practically every economic sector.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by joncha
              A few days ago on Nation States the ranking was "largest defence industry" or something. The Hive and the High Heavens were 1-2, IIRC.
              didnt see tha tone, i olnt seen the largest industrial one lately ...
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              • #52
                if you check the number sthe hive is larger than my nations military so why the problem ...
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by GeneralTacticus

                  Oh, I don't know... perhaps from the NS site we're all RPing from? The Hive is one of the biggest nations in Apolyton in population, has consistently been the biggest when it comes to per capita military spending, and comes out at the top for practically every economic sector.

                  i dont see any posts herre where i claim the hive is small or tha ti larger than hive. Even the numbers from this spreadsheet thingy support those details, so why ar epeople gettig upset....
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                  • #54
                    if you check the number sthe hive is larger than my nations military so why the problem ...
                    The problem is that's it's only just bigger than you, when you're less than half it's size in population and below it in every economic ranking and in per capita military spending.

                    i dont see any posts herre where i claim the hive is small or tha ti larger than hive. Even the numbers from this spreadsheet thingy support those details, so why ar epeople gettig upset....
                    and woh said the hive are the biggest military power in the region ??? where did that come from ?? and econmic strength it certianly not twice my size... agai nwhere do you get those numbers from....
                    Try again.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Rasputin
                      thats because it builds into its calculation the fact you have a defnece as a priority , if you hav ebeen asnwering issues differntly in nationstates then your military will be smaller...
                      Try again. First of all, strength does not directly correlate to size, as you so eagerly pointed out earlier. Secondly, if your military strength were to be 2 times mine (other country), with it being 1/3 bigger than you, your military spending would be through the roof. Even if I grant you tech parity, which seems unlikely. Suppose my military spending is 3% GDP (just to make things easier) per capita, yours would be at least 8%. Again, that's ignoring tech differences.

                      Originally posted by Rasputin
                      that al lseems to be ok to me... numbers may not be exact science but it gives sometihng to compare too..
                      Given that there are several severe bugs (e.g. some countries are getting double population growth than the rest) in the program, inconsistent time scales, and other issues, there are no validity to these numbers.
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                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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                      • #56
                        well based on all that i would say vlaidit yin anything any of these spreadsheets produce such as GDP or Ecomic worth, al lwe have t ogo by then is Size and Ecocomic Strenght as posted at nationstates, if that is all we got then why are be bothering to role paly a war , the hive and high heavens can just wipe out everybody...

                        seems a complete waste of space ...
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                        • #57
                          I think a spreadsheet program could be good. The ones posted so far seem a little wonky to me. If they could be modeled such that inputing a RL nation's info produced a RL result, then I'd say go for it. Otherwise it just seems like a justification for god-modding.
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                          • #58
                            Just to keep the military hardware theme going, here's the JPS Revolution.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by joncha
                              I think a spreadsheet program could be good. The ones posted so far seem a little wonky to me. If they could be modeled such that inputing a RL nation's info produced a RL result, then I'd say go for it. Otherwise it just seems like a justification for god-modding.
                              Well said.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #60
                                whixh real nation thoguh ??
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