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**Cesare Augusto** · January 26, 2001, 18:49

The game is great and it is POTENTIALLY better than the great CIVII.

However the game version I paid $50 (about) was buggy (I was able to complete 1 games over 3).

I never bought a more buggy game. It's not acceptable that a game crashes everytime I try to restart the saved game after 10 days of play.

I've installed the patch but I continued to have problems with my saved games (no more crashes but simple SLIC errors). So I started new games and for now It is ok ( I hope ).

The (40+) Beta Testers have never played the game ? Or ACTIVISION has released a beta game ?

Activision has fixed major bugs not the AI. Everyone knows that the AI is inexistent!!!
I dont want to program the AI by myself because it should be an ACTIVISION job.

I dont know if a simple mod will be sufficient to resolve the situation but Blue_orange has made a nice one ( although there are too much stacks in the world ). The possibility of changing AI, coefficients, strategies, etc... is really great but for now CTPII remains an 'empty game'.

Personally if I will not see more support from ACTIVI$ION I will be more careful in the future ( and so other people I think ).

**lago** · January 26, 2001, 18:59

Noted.

**wittlich** · January 26, 2001, 19:39

Twice.

**lago** · January 26, 2001, 20:16

Hey, no fair, somebody edited the thread after I posted...

**Mike the Nuke** · January 26, 2001, 23:50

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Originally posted by MarkG on 01-25-2001 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Mike the Nuke on 01-25-2001 09:09 PM
1. Where is your site.

you can find a link at
a) his homepage icon and his special title on all of his posts/9including the one you replied to)
b) the bottom of all forum pages
c) the front page of the site

Thanks. you are right. That's how I got to his sight the first time. Like I said, I must have been missing something...Yup, sure was/did

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2. Make a Hot Seat Option for the game and then (if) when the price comes down to the current cost of CTP-1 (about $20), I might buy it.

boy, you do ask very little form someone with no access to the source code....

Just a statement. As stated in the original message in another location, I reference the fact that he does not have the source code. Personally, I could care less what he develops for the game. I DO NOT own and will never own it as long as the options I desired from the first version (CTP-1) are not included. Playing solely against Artificial Indiots (I mean intelligence) does little for me. I already have plenty of game program Racing, Shoot-em ups, Trains, Planes, other Civ games (CTP-1 and Civ2 Tot do allow human vs human vs AI on the same machine...Hot Seat) And NO... It isn't his fault that he does not have the source code. I'm sure if he could get it, he would do one hell of a job with it making the game better and giving many of us the options we would like to see or he would give it one heck of a job trying.

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3. What guarentees are there that you will continue to support or patch your fixes/mods/patches. Not to be disrespectful of your abilities or intentions, but how long could you..

you ARE being direspectfull actually

It wasn't intended to be. Read the entire statement. I'm asking a question and crediting the fact that he invests a lot of time in a lot of games. Most of those other games have many less problems than this one and seem to have better support from both the manufacture(s) and customers. I haven't seen a statement from too many other manufacturers like the one you posted from Activison, which 'politely' tells it's customers that they are through with their own product... take it or leaveit. The are only so many hours in a day, and only 7-days per week and only (depending on the year) 365
days per year. With all the effort that he must put in to perform quality work on the other games, how long could he support a game in which he has so little to work with from the manufacture and that seems to have so many problems. I reviewed a lot of mesages on his site (the first and only time I went there, I go back now that you reminded me of where the site address was that I used (thanks). I could see that he spent many hours developing his mods and testing. Not an easy task and very time consuming.

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I believe that all the other Civ type games you develop improvements/mods for, are still supported by their manufacturers (correct?). This one, apparrently, is NOT.

depends on what you mean. activision support will still answer questions about ctp2

as for patches, microprose made a lot of money by selling patches packed with a few scenarios
smacers are still waiting for that last patch that was promised but never happened
i'm not supporting activision, i'm just pointing out that noone is free of guilt in this business

**Darkknight** · January 27, 2001, 01:05

I know they're not right to dump us put still your being a wee bit biest, Every game has it's faults or if they don't CTP2 makes up for them but would you rather there'd never been any CTP2? You'd be £30 up but how would you have managed a wait from civ2 to civ3 (not including SMAC some like it Most dont) with CTP eh?
Why i am defending them i dont know but still you're picking up on every little fault in the game and why are you making such a big deal with some programmer having a bit of fun?

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" mind over body "

**MarkG** · January 27, 2001, 05:50

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I'm asking a question and crediting the fact that he invests a lot of time in a lot of games

actually, he is only working on ctp2 right now. when ctp1 was around he was only working on ctp1....

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I haven't seen a statement from too many other manufacturers like the one you posted from Activison

yes, other manufacturers(and i'm talking about this genre) just dont say anything about it

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I could see that he spent many hours developing his mods and testing. Not an easy task and very time consuming.

and he and many other have been here since before the release of ctp1, and i dont see them go anywhere

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The Sims site is loaded with free downloads and improvements, as well as free patches to fix 'flaws' as they are identified. Where is Activision's?

The Sims sold like crazy and is only logical to see such things. Did you see CTP2 at anytime in the top 10 sales charts we are posting?

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the same guys that 'quit' on the game to move on to some new projects

nobody said that anyone from the team quit. there was higher-level decision to end any work on ctp2(probably after the release of the ww2 scenarios) and that was it.

**Coflek** · January 27, 2001, 19:47

Well it seems that we all have kind of bad luck with being fans of this game .

**TCO** · January 27, 2001, 21:59

Why are you all whining about hot seat and PBEM not being in the game? That was a conscious decision by Activision on what features to support. If you don't like that, don't buy the game. FYI, Civ2 shipped without MP and didn't get MP until it was a 3rd expansion pack...and all this after the civnet fiasco.

Y'all are a bunch of whiney little computer-boy babies.

**WesW** · January 28, 2001, 00:24

In response to Mike's questions, first, there is no way that I can add things like hotseat to the game which even the Activision people were not able to accomplish.

I did make a mod for Civ2 almost 3 years ago, and of course the Med mod I.

I have found over the course of the last year that I enjoy making mods for the Ctp games. They are a mod-maker's dream come true. I get a number of positive things out of doing this, which I have shared occasionally on the forums and to the people I work with.

With Ctp2, I have been able to work with some of the best, most talented and knowledgeable people on the forums. That alone has been a pleasure, and what we have done with the game, and are about to do with it, is something that I think any civer would be proud of.

The Med mod v1.0 beta is going to be released in the coming days. It will have up-to-date readmes and charts with it which list the major changes made to the game and necessary info so that players understand what is going on.
If you don't have the game yet, download the readmes, view the charts, and read what the beta-testers have to say about the mod, then decide if you want to get the game.
If you do already have the game, give the mod a try before giving up on it. I will test the mod for stability and bugs before uploading it, so now is the time to get in on the action.
As far as support, all I can say is that I will keep working with the game until I make it the best, most enjoyable game that I can. If others out there want to take the mod and make there own versions of it, I will be happy to post their versions at my webpage.

**wittlich** · January 28, 2001, 05:19

I believe the main gripe is as follows:

1. Naterally, the number one gripe is Activision stating that there will be no more patches to CTP2 - Do you feel betrayed? I know I do.

2. Since Activision's anouncement, I've gone back to playing CIV2 Gold...And there are MANY improvements that were in the CTP series that are missing in CIV2 (different manufactures - to be expected).

3. Even though CIV2 does not have the "bells and whistles" of the CTP series, at least the manufactures of CIV2 stayed behind their product and eventually worked out the bugs...Activison in CTP2 did not.

4. And lastly, yes, I too am guilty of pining for the advanced graphics and more robust user interface of CTP2 when compared to CIV2...but the botom line is this:

Activison (for the time being) has abandoned us to our own devices. Sure Activison states that there is still technical assistance for their product (CTP2), but any questions about the multitude of bugs or none playability are directed to this site...with no OFFICIAL responsibilitiy on their part.

I'm sorry, but I realy hate to be played the fool.

I have a gut feeling that Firaxis/Hasbro has taken notice of how bad Activision has stepped on it.

I really do believe we will recieve far better support from the eventual release of CIV3 (Rumor mill Aug 2001).

PS: I finished rampaging and realized how long my dissertation was...sorry, had to get it off my chest
[This message has been edited by wittlich (edited January 28, 2001).]

**Keygen** · January 29, 2001, 06:32

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Originally posted by GP on 01-27-2001 08:59 PM
Why are you all whining about hot seat and PBEM not being in the game? That was a conscious decision by Activision on what features to support. If you don't like that, don't buy the game. FYI, Civ2 shipped without MP and didn't get MP until it was a 3rd expansion pack...and all this after the civnet fiasco.

Y'all are a bunch of whiney little computer-boy babies.

Who told you that we are talking only about hotseat or PBEM?

**TCO** · January 29, 2001, 22:35

If the shoe doesn't fit, then ignore it!

**Imran Siddiqui** · January 30, 2001, 03:31

Imran is SURE glad he didn't buy the piece of **** known as CtP2!

**TacticalGrace** · January 30, 2001, 08:25

The first time I played CTP2 I was hooked. But I quickly saw through the thin AI and realised that it wasn't much of a game - I could win without trying.

so I tried WesW's MedMod.

But I warn you: if you want to get some sleep leave it alone. It has the most incredible "just-one-more-go" appeal. I don't try and kid myself anymore. Just 300 more goes...

city management? I'm just about keeping positive cash while trying to get some sort of research program without shutting down all production.
Challenging warefare? The AI has come at me with some awesome stacks, causing me to rush my armies back from their attack positions to defend my cities.

So Activision DID write a great bit of software, it just took an expert to make it into a game.

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