a STATEMENT OF ACTIVISION TO THE CIV COMMUNITY

[facistpig]

What no email or PBEM? I wish I never would have bought this game. I don't have time to sit around and play people in real time. I have to use email. I don't have a network. I have to use hotseat. I can't stand playing a against a stupid computer. Those of you that want a better AI, well that is impossible as there is no such thing as AI. A computer is just a machine that follows code. THAT IS IT! I love CTP1 except for some of the bugs and combat system, but nothing I can't live with. I hate CTP2. It should not have been named CTP2 because it is not the same game - similiar - but not the same. Too many changes. Damn, I wish all of the new stuff that is in CTP2 was in CTP1. Life sure does suck.

[facistpig]

I want my my freaking money back. Store won't take back unopened software. ******.

[wittlich]

Well one and all...You've heard the verdict.

And what are you going to do about it?

I suggest we all abandon this "popcicle stand" of a game called CTP2 and one and all move on over to the Apolyton CIVIII site!!!

Mark my word that Firaxis/Hasbro has followed and has taken note of what has happened to us by Activison...I don't believe Firaxis/Hasbro (Sid Meier) will treat us as "used toilet paper"

CHARGE!!!!

[Ramo]

I can't believe I wasted my money on CTP 1.5! Not only do these people have the gall to release an incomplete, bugged piece of shit as a final product, they don't even bother trying to fix it!

[Ming]

I just looked at my shelf of games, and was happy to see only one game from Activision on it... CtPII.

It will now stay that way.

If you are going to contact the company, snail mail is the best way to do it. Don't flame, just state how disappointed you are that the company has failed to provide a functioning game. And let them know that you will never buy another game from them. Also throw in that you will let your friends know how Activision has withdrawn support for a game that is still on the shelves in stores, and they should think twice before ever buying a game from them.

From looking at the above response Activision, it is pretty obvious that nothing will change the situation. All we can do right now is hope that the company has problems in the future selling new games.
And that other game companies can point to this decision as the reason why. Maybe somebody else will learn from Activision's mistake.

It is a sad day when a company knows they produced and sold a defective product, and will not even attempt to fix the situation.

[Ming]

The line that really pisses me off is:
"we feel that in the end, we have delivered a game that met the design goals of the project"

So their design goal was to produce and release a game that STILL has major bugs in it and do nothing to solve them.
Maybe the should have just said that our goal was to make as much money as possible and not care one damn bit about our customers. At least then, I could have respected their honesty. This response is just proof that customers come last to them. The good news is, companies that think like this go out of business... I look forward to that day! And I will try to help that day come closer by never buying anything from them again, and telling all my friends about their fine example of customer support!

[skorpion59]

I am very disappointed myself and will never buy another Activision product. This is such a slap in the face that it is hard to overlook and walk away from. In fact, this could easily be conceived as fraud.

I might add sending a few email to an Activision supplied email address is not going to do any good. You need many people bonding together and sending their coherent thoughts to the people that count, namely the Board of Directors.

I might also add, while Activision's PC games division lost money (gee I wonder why), their Console Games Division is doing good enough to pull them through so they are not even close to going out of business. They are just abandoning the PC Games Market and concentrating on Console games.

Now, where is that petition to sign.

[Big Dave]

On the market for less than 90 days and Activision punks out. What a shocker! NOT!!!!!

[Dale]

All I can say is that I spent the weekend fighting CTP2 to create a mod that will activate AI diplomacy. But after reading this statement I'm of a mind to completely trash the program and stop.

This is just bloody typical of capitalist bullcrap. No wonder human society is rotting in its own refuse when capitalist-pig companies (and governments) run the show. No support, no care, no ****! It's because of crap like this from companies/governments world-wide that the social revolution is gaining momentum in Australia. Vive le Revolution!

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back."

[facistpig]

I think that on the box of CTP1 it said 2 million copies sold? Well multiply that by an average of $30 a shot (Conservative estimate). Does that come up to $60 million dollars? An average programmer might make $40k a year probably less at activision. That leaves millions of dollars left over. Can't the cheap capitalists spend a little of that to fix the damn game? Are there laws against companies releasing defective products? When a car company has a defect there is a recall. To heck with it, I just want my $50 dollars back.

P.S. Boycott Hasbro too! Falcon 4 was the best flight sim ever created and they killed it.

[facistpig]

I agree! Revolution or the 2nd coming of Christ (too slow) is needed.

quote: Originally posted by Dale on 01-21-2001 06:26 PM All I can say is that I spent the weekend fighting CTP2 to create a mod that will activate AI diplomacy. But after reading this statement I'm of a mind to completely trash the program and stop. This is just bloody typical of capitalist bullcrap. No wonder human society is rotting in its own refuse when capitalist-pig companies (and governments) run the show. No support, no care, no ****! It's because of crap like this from companies/governments world-wide that the social revolution is gaining momentum in Australia. Vive le Revolution!

[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by facistpig on 01-21-2001 07:27 PM I think that on the box of CTP1 it said 2 million copies sold?

500,000 actually...

[Alexander's Horse]

I wonder how long it will be before Consumer Protection agencies start getting heavy with companies which produce defective products like CTP II. The multiplayer side of the game was unplayable and they must have known it. I think game consumers are far too accepting of this sort of thing.


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Chaos, panic and disorder - My work here is done.

[Mike the Nuke]

quote: Originally posted by facistpig on 01-21-2001 02:33 AM What no email or PBEM? I wish I never would have bought this game. I don't have time to sit around and play people in real time. I have to use email. I don't have a network. I have to use hotseat. I can't stand playing a against a stupid computer. Those of you that want a better AI, well that is impossible as there is no such thing as AI. A computer is just a machine that follows code. THAT IS IT! I love CTP1 except for some of the bugs and combat system, but nothing I can't live with. I hate CTP2. It should not have been named CTP2 because it is not the same game - similiar - but not the same. Too many changes. Damn, I wish all of the new stuff that is in CTP2 was in CTP1. Life sure does suck.

For what ever it is worth, there is supposedly a hidden menu (left ofver from CTP-1) where you can play under the Hot Seat opiton. The Hot Seat and PBEM options use similar coding and (I believe) can be found under the same menu area. Check on this site in various locations for more details, as I do not (and will never) own a copy of CTP2 and cannot verify this hidden option menu or it's valid operation.

Also, unfortunately, the people at Activison did say (way back in the beginning) that the Hot Seat/PBEM option was left out of the game (CTP2) due to programming issues (or other such B.S. that would have slowed oup it's release). Their tone has always indicted that they were never going to pursue a patch of any sort to include those options. This site is an excellent site for obtaining info on these types of games (both from the site managers and contributing forum members). If utilized and followed closely, you can learn a lot about each (and every) game of this type, and be able to purchase a game or games more wisely to suit your needs. Then you will not be taken to the 'cleaners' so badly. I am personnally 'pissed off' because I (and my family) played CTP1 in Hot Seat mode reguarly and enjoyed it. We anxiously awaited CTP2's arrival, only to be TOTALLY disappointed when they left out the Hot Seat option (information I found on this site). Therefor... I never bought the game (saving $50) and will never buy the game (unless some wiz-bang programmer takes it upon him/herself to integrate a thoughly 'bug free' addition of the Hot Seat option (and the game price drop by about $30). Remember...anything that is modified by others outside Activison, will not be supported buy Activision in any way, including damage to your software, systems and/or hardware. The 'modifier folks' will also not thoughly support their deals either, though they may make efforts to improve each mod. Without the actual game codesx, the 'modifier folks' (like this guy Wes) have a very, very dificult task in making 'bug free' mod and/or patches to add any options such as Hot Seat or PBEM.

[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by Mike the Nuke on 01-21-2001 08:31 PM Check on this site in various locations for more details, as I do not (and will never) own a copy of CTP2 and cannot verify this hidden option menu or it's valid operation.

see the very first thread in the ctp2-multiplaying forum