So Who is the best at CTP??? - A contest, ENTER NOW!

[Solver]

My take on why all Wonders except London's should be in. They're a part of a game, and, unlike Ruins, are an integral part of many strategies. My SP game strategies did depend on building certain Wonders.

Edison's can be got by any civ, and help it even one. Internet is the big catch-up wonder. Stonehege becomes obsolete soon. True, it gives a huge boost, but maybe the boost of Labyrinth is almost as big.

My personal opinion still remains wonders on, but sure I'm willing to listen and I want the rules to suit most people.

BTW, if we play without wonders, we'll need to do something with Slavers. How about no building of Slavers once someone discovers Age of Reason?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
I have a major concern about the upcoming world league... People are going to be committed to playing many games. You must understand that this is a long term event, and will involve playing regularly.... There is no problems with conceding games, but walking out on one is going to be a no-no and I am sure will involve serious repercussions... My play style is slow and frustrating to many players- That is only because of the Volume of units I have to move..... and often I get faced with the situation that my turn hangs on a unit move for a minute or more... I want everyone to understand that turn speeds will vary from game to game.... You are all forewarned... I think bad sportmanship, will need to be written into the rules of this competition...

Rick even though Stonehenge becomes obsolete the additional growth generated is never undone.... And it makes an enormous difference imagine you had a city that ate 40 food, and generated 60- under Stonehenge it would still eat 40, but generate 75 - In other words it would grow twice as fast - with the resultant increase in food production science and gold..... OR every size 4 city could set a scientist away without cost - and with science improvements and 20 cities you could have an extra 500 or so science for free....

Hmmm I agree but..BUT R U the one to decide when a player "is showing poor sportsmanship" or having"PC/connection problems"? just asking, for beside me I see several folks whom have had this problem? Or is Gavrushka the Great the final say? If so, PLEASE come over to my pad and help my situation with my PC BECAUSE I am also Frustrated & for it has taken me to my limits and I am tired of it!

For the record, me and erni and me and attilla have played and then they left and have NEVER caused me to go posting and whining online?..

WAIT!! HOLD THEM THAR PRESSES!!

Faded also does this,(WHINING/POSTING) whenever he cant hold his liquor..which seems to be the most of the time

Have you ever played Patryn online? Patryn has tons of connectivity problems, MOST of the time, by his own admission!!

I can check as well as you can check my history of posting, I DIDNT GO WHINING and crying because this individual crashes like a drunken three legged EWOK because of some problems that he is experiencing, and yes I too have awaited for hours for his return, only to miss a new game??

But alas, I understand that your frustrated and well, sorry but three things as an adult I cant stand,

#1-WHINERS
#2-WHINERS
#3-Folks whom take forever..not a minute, but 4-5 minutes a turn, EARLY in game.............
#3-WHINERS
#3-WHINERS
#3-WHINERS.........
Oh and did I mention I HATE W*H*I*N*E*R*S!!!!!

By the way, is WHINING poor/bad sportsmanship?

On another issue Gavrushka, I monitor a lot of traffic in lobbies, why is it that some folks have problems and dont return but are not accused of "poor sportsmanship" or "quitting"..just asking hero

One other point, all this problems that are caused by the sudden need for new server.dat files could you PLEASE figure out why we all seem to need them Mr.Gavrushka??????

Ok, You said your peace, I said mine



Enjoy all!!
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Yours In Civin

Troll

[Patryn]

Well, that long turn was an exception really. I only take long when I have tons of units in the field. In such a game as settler excluded, if you do not build an army of exporers and hunt every last ruin down, you lose. Usually in a game I only build a moderate amount of explorers and spend most of the time expanding my empire, which doesn't take that long. We have played before, and you have to admit that I did not take that long on those other games. And yes, my connection is pretty bad. In fact, you can probably expect my connection to go out at least once in a game. But, I will restart as much as it takes until I get back on. I hope to have a better connection in about 2 months, but it manages for now. Sometimes it will go days without crashing. Others, it is every 5 minutes. It is frustrating, but since this league should take many months, it won't be that big of a problem, as long as there is a save.

[Gavrushka]

Troll - I had no intention of mentioning you by name, and I am sorry you have spammed this thread with this senseless rhetoric.

Solver sets the rules in this, I can only make suggestions as we all are expected to do.. All I am doing is putting up prize money, nothing more - It gives me no say in who is in this competition - The competition entry is based on ability not my personal opinions. You are going to come across players who play this game very slowly. Just don't leave the game because of that - if you find yourself getting angry with the speed of play, ask for a break in play - start another game with another player- Just don't leave the game without a word, or I guess it will be assumed your resigning. If we both gain entry to this competition we are going to have to play each other. So just prepare yourself as I cannot change my gameplay strategy.

[Patryn]

Yes, let us not let the crashes get in the way. I will not leave a game in the leage because of poor sportsmanship, because I will die trying to win rather than just take a loss, and I would think that every other player would do the same, so, if there are crashes, just continue at the last save and assume that people would not just leave without just cause. If we try to judge on that persons emotions and position at that particular time of the crash, we will just make a mess. So long as the person agrees to continue the game or concede, we should not have a problem. Just have to be patient we people who have poor connection like me.

[MILAMBER]

Well Gav, Solver I'm going to have to bail from this tourny, as i said before there is schedule conflicts as I work different hours as a Chef and Manager of a family restaurant. We were training a new cook to help out as we were expanding our hours to dinner 7 nights a week instead off just on the weekends, the advertiseing is already out and this kid his past comes back to haunt him, in the form of 4 arrest warrents. Dont know how long it wiil take for him to get out or to train someone else. Means I be worken a **** of a lot. ****
I will be watchen to see how this all goes down. Work has been a problem in hooking up with people to finnish games thats why I'm doing PBEM now.

anyway my thought is wonders on pollution on

[Gavrushka]

MILAMBER!!!! U can do the Hospitality!!!

I agree pollution on - otherwise the drawbacks of certain Governments are removed.. I still cannot get my head round wonders.... In my one remaining PBEM I got London Exchange ... Which means I will auto be the one to get Edisons.. which means I will have Marines, Battleships amd Aircraft to SOLS and Cavalry... I just dunno... I know they are part of the game.... BUT remember the game was originally designed for play against the AI many years ago.. The game has evolved with patches to allow MP and PBEM against other Human Players... The players who are against Wonders (like Filix) are the ones who have the best Science and would reach them first anyhow... I really think that the exclusion of Wonders is not being suggested through fear the opponent will reach them first, but due to the fear of ruining the Competition by unbalancing the game!

[Patryn]

I would have to agree with no wonders. They are a part of the game, but they seem to be a one sided deal when one person gets them. If we use them, I would say that we at least get rid of Exchange, Ed Lab, Stonehenge, Hollywood, Labrynth, and, we probably won't get to it, but things like gaia controller, and nanopedia. Also, if we exclude some, the others just become meaningless, and we might as well exclude all of them. It will put more focus on the flat out strategy that each brings to the other. I suppose the wonder races involve strategy, but after one wins the race, it diminishes the game thereafter and creates a gap that can not be ignored. Having wonders on might create such differences that a person might have to drop all the domestic strategies, and go to all out military with the only hope of a win, being a conquest victory. Here is an idea. Someone make a patch that allows both players to have each wonder for themselves. If both have the ability to build a stonehenge, then there is no problem. Well, if that wouldn't work, then I do not know what to do about the wonder problem. Good thing that I do not have to make the decision.

[Gavrushka]

Doom will be in on this, just not had time to post...

It's over to you now Solver to decide who plays, and who does not, and your decision on wonders is required.

Entry closes tomorrow yes? Then do I start a thread for the Competition or would it be better for you to start it??

[Patryn]

Hey, I got my disc now. Anyone up for a game? Want to continue our game this weekend Gavrushka? I can play tonight, and late tomorrow night, and all day on saturday.

[Gavrushka]

Patryn we will play this weekend ! Superb!

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
Patryn we will play this weekend ! Superb!

He still has a problem with crashing, me and him and ttilla played this evening and he dropped, me and attilla waited 20 minutes or more, he didnt return..hope hes ok..HOPE it wasnt on purpose..hmm.. I WAS in the lead..nah..he must have crashed..IT is possible

[Gavrushka]

Just one more thought...... All games..... I would like to see them CTP Internet Rated too.... see no reason why not??

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by Troll


He still has a problem with crashing, me and him and ttilla played this evening and he dropped, me and attilla waited 20 minutes or more, he didnt return..hope hes ok..HOPE it wasnt on purpose..hmm.. I WAS in the lead..nah..he must have crashed..IT is possible

If it is okay with everyone, I would like to make a charitable donation of a shovel to Troll, he seems to have broken his.. In fact I would even throw in a demonstration of how to use it

[Patryn]

Alright. I will be in at probably 10pm central, or 4 in the morning your time? tomorrow night. That may be a bit late to continue, and I may have a game to continue with attila then too. So, how is Saturday? I can play all day. And blackice was in that game too, so he may want to be there.

Troll, sorry I crashed tonight. I could not get back on for anything. I was getting like 16k connection speed. When do you want to continue that game?