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  • #91
    I feel betrayed and stepped on

    First of all.....the 2 biggest nations on earth have put ever more increasing demands on my tiny nation. I had nothing do to with this war.....or the pollution disaster that followed. The blame can solely be placed on the worlds biggest pollutter-France. Therefor I demand nations of the world stop scapegoating on the Inca people..

    Noble Xenophon...We will hand over only 1 australian city. Had we not known about the prevoius deal in hinsight ; we would have impleneted it. Now consider the prevoius deal made.....enacted.

    Mobuis, we will COMPLY with your demands as long as Cuzco itself is spared.


    Note: We will use our remaining nuclear weapons should any of the above agreements be broken. Scientists warn that 2 more nuclear detonotation will start another great flood...a flood that will submerse not only swamps. But entire Coastlines.

    General Glorita

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    • #92
      (out of turn, in response to recent events)



      Let me very clear, so that there can be no mistaking my words:

      General Glorita, There was NO PREVIOUS DEAL with Inca. At the request of Thor, I had agreed to hold back Greek armies for ONE TURN, pending further negotiation.

      That turn has now passed.

      But Thor left Inca before negotiations could commence.

      The negotiations with you were undertaken in the same good faith that they would have been undertaken with the departed Thor. And an agreement with you was then publicly reached.

      Now, after unwelcome meddling by the Welsh government (both public and private), history has apparently been muddied for Inca leaders. We are surprised at the machinations by General Keygen , but understand how they could have created a false impression of the facts for the new leader of Inca.

      And we are hopeful in Athens that now that the Inca government has had the situation clarified, they will honor the agreement that has brought them peace with Greece, and will be less hasty about throwing out words like "betrayed".

      Furthermore, Greece does not take kindly to threats and nuclear blackmail. We assume that the wise General Glorita has received some bad advice that prompted him to utter such words, and must now regret them.

      Xenophon

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      • #93
        General Rick,


        Perhaps you should take into account the two dozen greek coastal cities? I think you should give them advanced notice to evacuate....9 turns till disaster of biblical proportions.

        I cannot allow you to take more than one australian city. Besides! How much do you produce a turn!?50,000????


        What more else could you need...

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        • #94
          Turn to Mobius.

          The french have accepted the demands.
          First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

          Gandhi

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          • #95
            I think my email was clear Rick. You and Thor were under negotiations. I didn't mention anywere that there was a deal. It is obvious that Saddam had the impression that there were no negotiations underway but instead Greek troops ruthlessly advancing. Who would offer so many cities if he was under negotiations and not such demand had been made?

            I really don't know why you kept secret your negotiations with Thor from Saddam. We all have the obligation to inform the parmantent replacements and I always do.

            This has nothing to do with the role I play here so I don't know why you are refering to me as General?

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            • #96
              (out of turn)

              OK, so I'll call you Keygen.

              Look, there were no negotiations ongoing with Inca. All that was ever agreed to with Thor was a one-turn cease fire after which Greece would make a statement on future foreign policy in response to all that had happened while I was away. This was going to be done here, and not in secrecy.

              I'm sorry, but there just weren't any negotiations to inform Saddam of, and certainly no deal. Had there been negotiations or a deal in the works, I agree with you that as a new player to this game, Saddam should (and would) have been informed. Hope this clears things up.

              Rick
              Last edited by Rick Elkins; November 18, 2001, 14:01.

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              • #97
                Statement from Athens regarding recent world events.



                Before leaving on vacation, I sent private communications to
                world leaders insisting that Greece would not tolerate a two-against-one
                attack on Wales, and I also made this known in this forum.

                The instructions that I left for General Hexagonian were that he was to
                attempt to remain peaceful, but in the event of an attack on Greece, he was
                to defend the homeland. I also told him that Greece did not wish to see an
                attack by several nations upon one, and that next to peace, world stability
                was of the highest importance to our nation.

                As you all know, I asked for a cease-fire to take place while I was to be
                gone on vacation. I was aware that tensions were high, and that there appeared
                to be skirmishes between Inca and France, but they did seem rather suspicious
                to Greek analysts. These suspicions turned out to be well-founded. However, it was
                felt at the time that such minor conflicts, while unfortunate, were the business
                of the sovereign nations involved. There was the mistaken belief in Athens that
                all nations would behave honorably in my absence.

                So it is with great dismay that I found that Spain was attacked by both
                France and Inca as soon as I left, obviously timed to take advantage of the
                belief that Greece would not be able to intervene. This attack broke the
                spirit of the cease-fire agreement, as it sought to make gain while Greece
                was presumably unable to act. But General Hexagonian saw the inherent
                unfairness in the sneak gang-attack upon Spain (using nukes, no less) and
                acted to try and put pressure on the Inca/French attackers to back off.
                While Greece has no great love for Spain, neither have we a desire to see
                her treated thusly.

                It is noted that this attack upon Spain came while the government of Greece
                was temporarily in the hands of a regent. It is of further interest that it
                was carried out without provocation by Spain, and is obviously designed to
                enhance the power of Inca and France. Interestingly, Greece was given no
                prior knowledge of this attack, which can only mean that Greece was also on
                the target list, probably after Spain was worn down by a two-nation assault.

                Furthermore, both Inca and France have acted in ways that attack the very
                stability of the Earth, embracing a polluting government, and ridiculing the
                idea of cutting pollution, even after Spain was generous enough to provide
                the technology that would make this goal attainable. Spain has unfortunately
                not acted in their own backyard, and is producing much of the environmental
                damage happening today. Even worse, Inca and France's use of nuclear weapons
                has both increased pollution, and thrown away one of the few taboos that
                "civilized" nations agree on to prevent our descent into total destruction.

                Recent changes in government have prompted calls from France and Inca to end
                this war. That they came after considerable loss to these nations who started
                the war shall not be further commented upon. The new leaders, while having continued
                to carry out the carnage, are not the original instigators, and deserve a chance
                to prove that they are peaceful. Greece wishes to return to peace herself.

                But the effect of these attacks is that Greece must think of her own security.
                Thus, we have asked that certain small Inca villages near Greece be disbanded.

                In addition, before we could negotiate for the peaceful transfer of other Inca
                cities to Greece, General Glorita took it upon himself to be a peacemaker, and
                Inca cities which were the booty of an older war with Australia were offered.
                That this came on the heels of another nuclear attack at his order shall not
                be dwelled on by me.

                Now General Glorita has changed his mind, and declares that he will attempt to
                end the world if his new conditions are not met. We do not believe that he wishes
                to be remembered by the world a the greatest mass-murderer ever. And we also
                want to try and resolve this situation, so that the world can return to peace.

                General Glorita, I hope it is now clear from the previous post that the deal you
                have spoken of never existed. But Greece wants to return to the peaceful relations
                that we enjoyed with your nation since time began.

                So, rather than insisting on the previously accepted peace proposals, Greece is
                willing to accept the following:

                1) The disbandment of the previously agreed to small cities.

                2) The agreement to cease in the use of nuclear weapons.

                3) The folding of the previously Australian cities of Cairns, Ayer and Hobart
                into the the Greek nation. I will give you the choice of either adding Exmouth
                to the list, or disbanding it, as it remains too close to Greek cities, while
                being overseas from Inca.


                All of this must commence immediately in order for peace to begin.
                As an additional concession, upon completion of these actions, I will disband
                Lima, ceding the territory to Inca.


                Xenophon

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                • #98
                  As the victim of an elaborate joint surprise attack by both France and Inca, Spain corroborates the account of recent exents put forth by the Greeks...

                  Just because the leadership of both France and Inca has changed doesn't mean that Spain has to end her war with both nations, especially as both new leaders continued to press home their attacks!

                  Now that France has accepted Spain's peace proposals, the world has Spain's word that she will make no unprovoked attacks against France.

                  Spain is pleased the the new Incan leader has been adequately appraised of his nation's past deeds and accepted the conditions that will end our war with Inca. Indeed Inca will have an extra turn to evacuate the designated area.

                  As for the pollution concern...

                  Spain feels highly affronted with regards to these accusations of high pollution output!

                  Firstly we were attacked by two nations and needed to produce defensive units as quickly as possible!

                  Secondly Spain has had to absorb almost a dozen highly polluting French cities! This has increased our pollution levels significantly as we struggle to assimilate their noxious effects into our economy!

                  Thirdly During this time, such improvements as have been able to be built on a wartime footing have all sought to reduce pollution - not increase it (Spain has already imposed a moratorium on all pollution producing improvements!)

                  Fully half a dozen new anti pollution measures will be online next cycle! ALL cities will be reduced below a pollution level of 100 within the next couple of turns - after that the new target will be below a level of 50...

                  Spain will not hear any more of these proposterous claims that she is guilty of polluting the World irresponsibly!!!


                  CREDO


                  Tomas de Torquemada
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Rick Elkins
                    (out of turn)

                    OK, so I'll call you Keygen.

                    Look, there were no negotiations ongoing with Inca. All that was ever agreed to with Thor was a one-turn cease fire after which Greece would make a statement on future foreign policy in response to all that had happened while I was away. This was going to be done here, and not in secrecy.

                    I'm sorry, but there just weren't any negotiations to inform Saddam of, and certainly no deal. Had there been negotiations or a deal in the works, I agree with you that as a new player to this game, Saddam should (and would) have been informed. Hope this clears things up.

                    Rick

                    OK, I see.

                    Apparently I had the impression that you and Thor were under negotiations so I felt obliged to inform Saddam.

                    My appologies Rick

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                    • I had the impression that a deal had been reached allowing the disbandment of Ancon1 (which Ironically is now controlled by Barbarian Rebels).

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                      • That's OK, Keygen. But I did want to clarify what had actually taken place.


                        I had the impression that a deal had been reached allowing the disbandment of Ancon1
                        When it was settled, I had protested Ancon1's encroachment on an existing Greek city to Thor (before I went on vacation), but he never even responded. I decided to let it go until I came back, at which time there were bigger problems. Then he left the game, before any more discussions could be held.

                        (which Ironically is now controlled by Barbarian Rebels).
                        Yes, the people of Ancon1 seemed not to be happy under the rule of the previous leader on Inca...

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                        • Turn 176 --> General Glorita

                          World peace seems within grasp, as Inca and Greece sign a Peace Treaty, joining Spain and France in settling their differences peaceably.

                          France is to be further congratulated for having cut their pollution dramatically.

                          However, with another disaster a mere 8 turns away, Greece hopes that the words of progress from Spain are not just words.

                          In another happy development, the valiant people of Ancon1 have asked to join the Greek people, and today we are pleased to announce that we have accepted their request.

                          Xenophon

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                          • We have herby complied with all peace negotiations hammered out with the greeks during the Athens meetings. We wish to however Retain Brisbane.

                            We have complied with the Spainish peace terms hammered out at Cuzco.

                            Tho while it may seem like a horrible coincedince that my former name was Saddam. I assure you that I have complied with the Nuclear profliferation pact and assure nations of the world that my moderately sized nuclear arsenal is on its way to be seeled off in Mt.Chupi to be exploded. Tho you have no ways of verifying this. You will all just have to trust me

                            We expelled the settler near Lima. We hope the greeks return the favor with our wayward settler near Ancon.

                            1 last australian city has been evacuated. But the garrison is unable to be rescued this turn.

                            FG,

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                            • Turn to Mobius.
                              First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

                              Gandhi

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                              • Turn 177 ==> Keygen

                                It is ironic that the Greeks criticised Spain on matters of pollution when one of their cities tops the pollution league table!

                                While Spain would never accuse another nation of Gross Hypocrisy, she does feel that Greece should climb down from her soapbox and practice what she preaches!

                                On other matters, Spain is pleased to announce that following Incan compliance of the Spanish peace proposal, six Incan cities will be assimilated into the Spanish collective next cycle.

                                This will end the brief hostilities between our two nations...

                                CREDO


                                Tomas de Torquemada
                                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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