Gathering Storm Embassy

[Kataphraktoi]

Its not a big consideration, but them hogging CS\bureaucracy for a few turns wouldnt be ideal. Idealy we want the bonus first.

[binTravkin]

So, should we propose them instead going for Calendar now and us taking CS (which would eliminate any risk of waste)?

[Kataphraktoi]

Wouldnt that imply a CS\calendar trade?

Just send the message already and lets see what they say.

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
Im open to an actual example
Otherwise, nope.

An example to what? Two civs outteching and outproducing one civ? They'll be able to do it even with a continent 2/3 the size of ours. And the gap will grow as the game moves on.

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi What we previously talked about, was a later attack on GS after settling\developing our continent. I point out that according to the map generator, the other continent must be a bit smaller than ours-likely alot smaller-and after the civ3 dg's those teams 'over there' are not so friendly with each other. More reasonable conclusion-one civ conquers all their continent.

Not to mention our continent has 4 players to their 3. Thats a bonus in resources and good city spots right there. As we get courthouses and leverage our financial bonus, we can utilize more land anyway

Sarantium and team Merc. are perfectly able to cooperate. Con and most of team Merc get along really well, so I'll be surprised if they aren't, especially since they both hate the horde. As I mentioned before, E_T is a micromanagement freak. He will extract all the juice out of whatever land they have.

Also, our financial bonus? Sarantium is financial as well. And courthouses only remove 50% of upkeep. the other 50% we still need to pay. If we plan to fill a whole 4-civ continent and expect not to have our upkeep costs astronomically above what two civs can manage on a similar size (and I'm saying about 4 times as much, before inflation comes into account)

[binTravkin]

If we plan to fill a whole 4-civ continent and expect not to have our upkeep costs astronomically above what two civs can manage on a similar size (and I'm saying about 4 times as much, before inflation comes into account)

That's why I was proposing the Banking shot. It would at least halve this weight.

Two civs outteching and outproducing one civ? They'll be able to do it even with a continent 2/3 the size of ours. And the gap will grow as the game moves on.

If we cooperate with GS at least for a while, we can get a good lead in techs over the other continent. There are certain techs that can help to solve this problem - Banking, Printing Press, Industrialism etc.

I agree the two (Sara, Mercs) are catching up on us, but once we have CoL, we'll be growing approximately as fast as they combined if not faster (the rapid settling we're planning).

By the way, we will have monopoly on macemen until GS trades Machinery with us (they don't have MC still). If we do the banking route, we're also likely to have knights and probably even musketmen monopoly for some times. That might be a good time to attack if we're planning to do so.

[binTravkin]

Sent:

Greetings our friends!


We're happy to see you back in the diplomatic arena and thank you for
your acceptance of the deal proposed by us.
We are also willing to cooperate closer in technological development
so here's a list:

AC techs currently researchable:
- HorseBack Riding
- Music
- Drama
- Calendar
- Construction
- CoL
- Feudalism
- Theology
- Compass

We've just done researching Currency and we could transfer it to you
right away in the hopes that it cuts a turn off your CoL research time
on a basis that you transfer CoL to us immediately after it's research
is finished. This exchange would be somehow resembling our much
earlier dealings around Monotheism and us getting a religion.

After that we'd be interested in Calendar as it would allow us to use
our newly acquired resources. Since you are researching CoL, we could
be doing Calendar now and once done exchanging it for your
Construction.
The next most important tech to us seem to be Civil Service.
We are 5 turns away from great person being born and there is 40%
chance (being the highest chance of all) that person will be Great
Merchant. With it we could almost-finish CS for an extra turn or two
of research.
We are not sure, therefore who of us should research CS, as if we
indeed get the merchant, and you have been researching CS for a couple
of turns, that investment would be wasted. Do you have any suggestions
in this matter?
At some point we'd want to also take Compass, but we recognize that as
of now it is of little value to you, so probably it won't participate
in cooperative tech plans so much.

Also, what are your plans after CoL?


Your friends @ Team AC

[Kataphraktoi]

Sarantium and team Merc. are perfectly able to cooperate. Con and most of team Merc get along really well, so I'll be surprised if they aren't, especially since they both hate the horde. As I mentioned before, E_T is a micromanagement freak. He will extract all the juice out of whatever land they have.

Comeon, there are civ4 PBEMs and multiplayer games, tons of them. Some instances where a player did not take the opportunity to conquer all available land and did not win.

If we cooperate with GS at least for a while, we can get a good lead in techs over the other continent. There are certain techs that can help to solve this problem - Banking, Printing Press, Industrialism etc.

QFT. This is the plan i was referencing. This attack will be carried out at a later time when civs can more easily use that much more land.

[PJayTycy]

good message bt
good idea kata to mention the *maybe* upcomming GM.

[binTravkin]

Greetings AC!

The Storm offers many thanks for your diplomatic message regarding
technology cooperation. We do accept your offer of Currency for CoL
and will transfer it to you as soon as it is finished. We also welcome
the trade of Calendar for Construction. We shall respond to you
shortly regarding our future research plans and joint cooperation so
that we can move forward together in prosperity.

Your friends of the Gathering Storm

[Kataphraktoi]

They sound friendly.

[binTravkin]

Should we perhaps remind them the question about who's gonna do CS?
This could be their last turn doing CoL.

[-SafaN-]

how long till our gp?

[binTravkin]

3 turns

[binTravkin]

Greeting our friends from Alpha Centauri!

After some discussion, the elders of the Storm share your interest in
learning the secrets of Civil Service. After we finalise our Code of
Laws, we can delay further research for a couple of turns and invest
in gold until a great person emerges from your glorious civilization.
If the gods deem to bless you with a Great Merchant, you can research
Civil Service. Otherwise, we can research Civil Service (since our
research capacity is likely to be stronger than yours until you
recover from your conquests).

After the many millennia of war on our continent, the Stormian people
grow weary of violence and many seek a better way through the ideals
of pacifism. Hence our elders feel that Philosophy would be beneficial
for our civilisation. Should a Great Merchant be born among your ranks
and you research Civil Service, we would like to set our hearts on
researching Philosophy.

Please let us know how you feel about these plans or whether you have
an alternate suggestion to bring before our people.

With warm regards,

Gathering Storm

I like the part about them having better research when their GNP dropped below ours a turn ago and they have no libraries.

Philosophy is nice, but pacifism + monarchy seems strange.
They're just plotting to take all the religions they can, which kinda makes sense them being the only spiritual civ.

I'd suggest them to start on Philosophy right away, so they don't miss.

[binTravkin]

Message proposal:
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Greetings our friends from GS!


We feel that the proposal to delay research a little is a good one, especially because the delay isn't likely to be long (we're getting the GP at the end of next turn).

We also think that if you want to found a religion with discovering Philosophy, you should start research as soon as possible, so no other civilization gets there first.

In case you take on research of Civil Service, we will most likely be researching Compass.


Your friends @AC
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