War Powers Amendment discussion

[Zoid]

And who decides to sue for peace? We don´t have peace polls... A declaration of war poll gives Carte Blanche to the goverment to conduct the war as it sees fit. That includes when and how to sue for peace.

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Zoid
And who decides to sue for peace? We don´t have peace polls... A declaration of war poll gives Carte Blanche to the goverment to conduct the war as it sees fit. That includes when and how to sue for peace.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that the government did not have this power. Merely that the determination of peace is a function of the game itself.

[Zoid]

Ok.

[Nugog]

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Zoid
And who decides to sue for peace? We don´t have peace polls... A declaration of war poll gives Carte Blanche to the goverment to conduct the war as it sees fit. That includes when and how to sue for peace.

bring out your axe
bring out your axe

for we march to war
we march to glory

bring out your axe
bring out your axe...

- marching tune of the Concordian Armed Forces

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot



bring out your axe
bring out your axe

for we march to war
we march to glory

bring out your axe
bring out your axe...

- marching tune of the Concordian Armed Forces

And popular tune it is.......

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot



bring out your axe
bring out your axe

for we march to war
we march to glory

bring out your axe
bring out your axe...

- marching tune of the Concordian Armed Forces

Almost as good as that drinking song about gold...

[Chuckman]

My objective is to avoid complications or a future Constitutional crisis.

Scenario-
President Walt of the Warrior party and his allies are elected in Term 12. They get a war resolution against Rome passed but do not declare war before the next election. President Bob of the Builder party and his allies are elected to Term 13 on a platform of no war with Rome. War is not declared against Rome. President Walt and his allies are elected for Term 16. They immediately declare war on Rome citing the Poll from Term 12. There is an immediate uproar because war does not have the support of the citizens at this time.

Scenario-
President Walt and the Warrior party get a resolution and declare war against Rome during Term 12. It goes badly. There are many troops lost. A cease fire is signed to allow time to regroup. The citizens do not want to continue the war. President Walt redeclares war citing the original resolution.

Scenario-
President Walt and the Warrior party get a resolution and declare war against Rome during Term 12. It goes badly. There are many troops lost. A cease fire is signed to allow time to regroup. The citizens do not want to continue the war. A Resolution to not continue the war is begun. One day after the anti-war resolution is posted President Walt holds a turn chat. President Walt redeclares war citing the original war resolution.

A declaration of war is irrevocable. You cannot go back and say "Sorry Rome, my bad, didn't really mean to declare war."

I am not fluent in legalese, but I would think something like the following could avoid possible problems like the ones above.

A successful War Resolution allows for a single declaration of war against the nation stated in the poll. A War Resolution must include a window of time in which war may be declared. The window must include a beginning and end date and can be no more than 10 game turns long.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

one word


WHY

[fed1943]

With no disrespect, but it looks the question is based in a confusion:

"A war Resolution" ; but which war resolution? What it says? There is

not a template to " a war resolution".

The President, like all other Officers and Citizens, must to comply

with every passed resolution, as they are; and resolutions are as

citizens wanted them to be.

I see no need to amend the Constitution,here. And a rule that solves

all possible future problems... never existed.

Best regards,

[Zoid]

All scenarios are highly unlikely and would probably end in impeachment for the president.

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by Chuckman
A successful War Resolution allows for a single declaration of war against the nation stated in the poll. A War Resolution must include a window of time in which war may be declared. The window must include a beginning and end date and can be no more than 10 game turns long.

IMO this is too prescriptive. I believe that for some of the scenarios you describe the court would probably grant an injunction to prevent further action pending a full hearing on legality.

RJM

[Nugog]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
one word


WHY

And to Fed, Zoid and RJM@Sleepers.

Chuckman - I could not see that happening, nor could I see the Courts allowing it (we have them for a reason).

This game is being played by subjective humans, not an AI following a set of determined rules.

[zeace]

Ultimately, the right to declare war rests with the people. The government has the right to interpret the desires of the people in limited situations (eg. you don't need to reaffirm the desire to stay at war every turn). However, if the government senses that it does not have a clear view of the desires of the people, then it should not proceed. All 3 scenarios describe a government which is not only proceeding without determining the will of the people, but in fact proceeding against the will of the people.

The 1st and the 3rd I think are blatant enough that the president would immediately be in an impeachment hearing.

I think of the scenarios, the 2nd is the most important. Here, it is stated that the people are against the war, but there is no mention of how that is known. If the people are against something, they have a civic duty to do something about it. A simple resolution for peace moves this from the 2nd case to the 3rd, and the government would not be acting responsibly if it declared war while an active resolution for peace existed.

In the end, the government can put any stipulations and clauses it would like in its war resolution, but the power to declare war remains with the people regardless, and so the war can only continue with the support of the people.

Ze Ace

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Chuckman
A declaration of war is irrevocable. You cannot go back and say "Sorry Rome, my bad, didn't really mean to declare war."

I am not fluent in legalese, but I would think something like the following could avoid possible problems like the ones above.

Not quite irrevocable. There are save-games and I believe in these situations the court has powers to revert to a previous save prior to the declaration.

But I don't think there is any real danger of these happening. On the whole, if either the government of people felt there was a major problem with these powers, they would be supporting amendments. On balance, any amendment/resolution sound like too much work for me so close to retirement