Imperio: Diplomacy Thread #2

[Sullla]

These messages look fine to me. Let's send one off to Imperio and/or post in the General forum.

[Zeviz]

Can somebody check the message I've posted in Public Diplomacy thread for accuracy and style?

[Kylearan]

Hi,

regardless if/what we post in the public forum, let's send the personal message to Naldo ASAP. I think he deserves a friendly explanation, and it would be a shame if he quit the game because he felt betrayed personally.

-Kylearan

[ruff_hi]

email in post 358 is saved as draft in our email acct - will send in 2 to 3 hours.

[ruff_hi]

email sent

[ruff_hi]

I think Imperio may be withdrawing from the game ...

Ok Krill thank you! I see that here you play different.

For us (in spanish forum) all of pacts signed are unbreakable and I was playing during these 2 month with this point of view. If here the diplomacy have not any importance for me is not necessary send messages or make pacts. Another time I will not waste time.

If I had played konwing these conditions RB never will captured an imperio city It is the problem

Now I'm alone making imperio's movements and managing imperio's diplomacy, but in this conditions this game are not interesting for me. I was making a big effort to play the turns regulary and a lot of times I've lost the turn and for that sometime we can do all thing that we want to do (like attack in a concret turn or be quick with diplomcy answers) but never we make nothing or lie deliberate like RB has made.

Sorry I don't want to waste more time in a game where diplomacy has not importance.

Thank you for all and sorry for all the problems that imperio causes to other teams.

[Compromise]

Thank you for all and sorry for all the problems that imperio causes to other teams.

Well, "the problems that imperio causes" are why Imperio is experiencing the present situation.

Methinks the pre-Naldo Imperio team could learn a few things about the importance of diplomacy from Naldo.

I don't think it's worth a long exchange in the public forum, but I dispute claims such as "but never we make nothing or lie deliberate like RB has made." Actually, I dispute both parts: that they didn't, and that we did.

[Sullla]

I'm sure that Naldo is hurting right now, and I don't blame him for being angry. At the same time, quitting the game isn't exactly a mature response either. And claiming that all agreements are unbreakable - coming from Imperio, of all teams! - is more than a little two-faced.

But whatever. Getting into a shouting match in the public forum solves nothing. We're not going to see eye-to-eye over this one. I hope that Imperio will continue playing (not least because their Civ skills are suspect). If not though, we'll find a replacement player.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the teams that kept their membership intact throughout the whole game - RB and PAL - are the teams that are in dominant positions currently.

[regoarrarr]

From the public thread

Jajaja, that's not a translation in this case that's my english

I want to retire me from of the game but I do not want to harm the other players.

In fact all this mess is because I did not know these conditions of game.

I will continue playing but already I warn that I will not lose the time sending neither messages nor nothing. I will limit myself to the screen in game.

If I can find a substitute, better because it exceed me the time.

A shame is that Rb obtains so many advantage hereby

So... perfect for us!!!

[ruff_hi]

email from imperio ...

Jajajaja, de aceurdo.

No guardo rencor, un juego es un juego. Espero que podamos jugar con igualdad de condiciones en otra ocasión . Esta partida para mi era un calvario.

Simplemente lo que pasa es que yo consideraba los pactos escritos como inviolables, y por esto tenÃa las ciudades asi de desprotegidas y no dà importancia a vuestro ejercito, pero veo que aqui no jugáis asi. Una pena.

Aunque si os fijáis todos vuestros motivos no són para nada justificables para romper un pacto escrito, bajo mi punto de vista:

- Sabotear mejoras con espÃas si era un motivo para declarar la guerra y romper el NAP (pero en este caso no hemos saboteado nada).
- Declaramos la guerra pero sin nap de por medio ¿que hay de raro en esto?
- Traicionamos a Templar sin NAP de por medio ni un acuerdo concreto que que hacer si la guerra contra RB fallaba como pasó.
- Si nos os dà la polvora fue por un error porque la verdad es que no me acuerdo. Si me lo hubieráis dicho lo hubieramos intercambiado o compensado debidamente.
- Imperio es libre de actuar contra o en favor de quién quiera en beneficio de sus intereses.

Para mi romper un acuerdo escrito es algo que le quita el sentido a la diplomacia. Y sin diplomacia este juego es otro.

La verdad en el foro español tenemos un sistema muy equilibrado que evitar estas posibilidades tan feas y de tan poco fairplay.

El poema precioso me he emocionado y todo.

Un fuerte abrazo.
Naldorinho.

poorly translated by babelfish ...

Jajajaja, of aceurdo.

I do not keep resentment, a game is a game. I hope that we pruned to play with equality of conditions in another occasion: b:. This game for my was a Calvary.

Simply what it happens is that I considered the pacts written like inviolable, and by this had the cities unprotected that and nondà importance to yours I exercise, but I see that here you do not play thus. A pain.

Although if you determine all your justifiable reasons són nothing not to break a written pact, under my point of view:
- To sabotage improvements with spies if it were a reason to declare the war and to break the NAP (but in this case we have sabotaged nothing).
- We declared the war but without nap of by means that there is of rare in this?
- We betrayed To warm up without NAP in by means nor a concrete agreement that to do if the war against RB failed as it happened.
- If us you dà the powder were by an error because the truth is that I do not decide to me. If hubieráis said the hubieramos to me interchanged or compensated properly.
- Empire is free to act against or in favor of whoever to the benefit of its interests.

My to break a written agreement he is something that clears the sense to him to the diplomacy. And without east diplomacy game is another one. The truth in the Spanish forum we very have a sensible system that to so little avoid these so ugly possibilities and of fairplay. The precious poem I have been touched and everything. A strong hug. Naldorinho.

[Compromise]

That's at least somewhat reasonable. We should reply in some fashion to him (not the public forum), maybe:

It is unfortunate that there was some confusion here. This is not an attack on you personally. If you had been running Imperio's turns from the beginning, things probably would have turned out very differently. Perhaps we will all consider diplomacy more carefully after this.

[regoarrarr]

Agreed we should send something personally to Naldo.

Maybe evne thanking him for not just quitting.

[Strow]

Make sure the message says something about a hug.

[Swiss Pauli]

I was browsing the Imperio forums just now, and discovered that they offered the Nationalism-Gunpowder trade to PAL by mistake

[mostly-harmless]

I am going through them myself, with Babelfish.
Quite interesting. Will post my thoughts in the HG Public Forum.

mh