Where Do We Settle Next?

[sooooo]

Oooooh, more votes. Updated tally:

Old Burgundy:
mostly_harmless
sooooo
Dreylin
Zeviz
ruff_hi

New Burgundy:
T-hawk
Sullla
MyOtherCar
Swiss Pauli
Sunrise089
regoarrarr

[mostly-harmless]

I see this decision linked to our plans for this area in the future.
Old Burgundy goes with the razing of Jericho and the settling of the old Twin Peaks (replacing to some extent Jericho).
New Burgundy means we keep Jericho.
As I said earlier, I don't think Jericho is worth the trouble of keeping it and re-culturing it.

Therefore my vote for Old Burgundy, razed Jericho, Twin Peaks.

mh

[darrelljs]

My vote is up for sale.

Darrell

[Dreylin]

I agree with m_h's reasoning, and would like to hear what some of those voting for New Burgundy feel about the razing - or not - of Jericho.

@Darrell: I've got a peanut ... is that enought to start the bidding?

[T-hawk]

I see this decision linked to our plans for this area in the future.

Yes. In proposing New Burgundy, I assume we keep Jericho and have no need for a city in between. New Burgundy plus Jericho covers all the good tiles.

As I said earlier, I don't think Jericho is worth the trouble of keeping it and re-culturing it.

I think this is the other way around. I think keeping Jericho is easier. No nearby spot is so much better that it's worth the trouble of razing and rebuilding with a new settler and infrastructure from size 1 scratch.

[Swiss Pauli]

If we're still fighting 2 on 1, we probably have to raze every Templar city, unless we want to go 'all-in' and try to wipe out Imperio's and Templar's main stacks in a battle to hold Jericho.

As I've posted elsewhere, I think we should settle both Old and New Burgundy, but New first for the rice, and to bring the desert road into our empire ASAP.

[Sullla]

I am also basing my vote for New Burgundy on the assumption that we keep Jericho. It's not the greatest site, but not worth razing and replacing, IMO. I also don't see a spot that's much better in that area.

[Kylearan]

Hi,

I hadn't voted for any Burgundy because...I fell into Analysis Paralysis. Now that I've been hit over the head by sooooo and woken up, I think I vote for...uh ...New Burgundy. Yes, New Burgundy - on the premise that we will keep Jericho.

So there.

-Kylearan

[ruff_hi]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - go back to sleep Kylearan - you aren't helping

[Zeviz]

Actually, there is no need to raze Jericho if we settle Old Burgundy.

Old Burgundy is about same as New Burgundy ignoring Jericho. (Rice farm is a very weak tile and as Ruff has shown, Old Burgundy can get as much food just working two other farms we are planning to build anyway. It makes no sence to rearrange entire dotmap just to get one extra +2f tile.)

However, if we do plan to keep Jericho, Old Burgundy will leave space for another filler city in a distant future, while New Burgundy will waste a lot of tiles. So we have:

Short term:
Old Burgundy is better because it can chop more forests and has an option of borrowing tiles from Pink. (It is about equal if we don't chop forests and borrow tiles.)

Medium term:
According to Ruff's post Old Burgundy is better for both production and commerce, unless there is a typo.

Long term:
Old Burgundy is much better, because we can put in an extra filler city between it and Jericho.

So Old Burgundy looks strictly better, regardless of what we do with Jericho.

[sooooo]

Here's my reasoning: New Burgundy has terrible production. It has a rice, which will just be 4 food for a long time because it is not easily irrigated. For production it has ... a plains mine. And two lumbermills when we get to replacable parts. It will take a long time to build/slave its granary, forge and library. I think we're looking at this city too far ahead. At big size then New Burgundy will be better because it overlaps less. But we should consider which is the better city at size 5-7 and that is surely Old Burgundy. We build some farms and some mines, use some of Pink Dot's tile when Pink Dot doesn't want to use them (such as now - it could use 2 mines right now that pink isn't working), chop some forests to get the infrastructure quickly and it'll soon be a profitable size 5-8 size city. It doesn't have to work pink dot's cows all the time, just when it suits both cities.

[MyOtherCar]

I don't think resettling Jericho is worth the effort, while at the same time Upper Burgundy costs less than 2 cities we would otherwise build.

It's rather unsettling that we can't settle where to settle.

[Kodii]

I'm scared to offer my opinion...

As Kylearan, I have fallen into analysis paralysis, but I have slight preference for Old Burgundy. Especially if we raze Jericho (which now seems unlikely).

[darrelljs]

Here's my reasoning: New Burgundy has terrible production. It has a rice, which will just be 4 food for a long time because it is not easily irrigated. For production it has ... a plains mine. And two lumbermills when we get to replacable parts.

I like New Burgundy for its ability to work the rice, two wines tiles, and the grassland hill mine; that gets it a nice mixture of decent food, shields, and commerce, with any additional growth presumably going into working some plains forests.

sooooo gets a point for correctly identifying the hill tile as plains. After thinking it over (and getting no better offer than a lousy peanut), I'm voting for old Burgundy.

Darrell

[sooooo]

This is more exciting than the current war! Just over 2 hours to go and the voting is:

Old Burgundy:
mostly_harmless
sooooo
Dreylin
Zeviz
ruff_hi
Kodii
EDIT: Darrelljs

New Burgundy:
T-hawk
Sullla
MyOtherCar
Swiss Pauli
Sunrise089
regoarrarr
Kylearan

That's 7-6 in favour of New Burgundy. I don't think I can handle the excitement .

EDIT: It's now 7-7! Someone email Sirian and ask him what he thinks