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Another sticking point could be that Team Banana were reluctant to give feudalism to Rabbits because it would invalidate their NAP with PAL (must be a clause in there somewhere). Looks like PAL were rather sneaky when they negotiated that NAP, which IIRC was immediately after Donovan took over the ailing civ.
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Originally posted by sooooo View Post
Exactly. The NAP expires on T167 and he said he will starting gifting tech at that point. The other option would be Imperio, but it wouldn't surprise me if they have a similar clause.Comment
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Hmm, Rabbits missed their 24 hr window.Comment
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Any opinions whether to cancel the Dye gift to Rabbits?
I am in a favour, just to see if that provokes a response from them.
There is still some gold to be squeezed out of them.
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No, I see no reason to cancel the Dyes. If we want to get our hands on their money, we can get that if we gift them techs later.She said 'Your nose is running honey' I said 'Sorry but it's not'Comment
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Well, we tried that already several times. Writing them messages and offering deal in game to give them techs for their meagre 50 gold. No response. Then we offered Dyes for free in game to show our good will and they accepted, again with no comment whatsoever. I don't see why we should keep on supplying them with Dyes, if they refuse to enter in a proper dialogue with us.Originally posted by MyOtherCar View Post
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What does cancelling our spare dyes gain us? It's not like we need them for anything at all. It's not going to improve our diplomatic position with them.Comment
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In the current situation, we can not ask them to agree to a tech for gold deal because of our gracious gift of dyes, because no communication was done regarding the dyes. They had a 10turns teaser now. If they want to continue to have it, they can get right away. But please talk to us again about tech vs. gold deals.
What does continuing this gift gain us? I don't see any ongoing diplomatic relationship with Rabbits that is improving by us gifting them Dyes without talking.
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Continuing the gift strengthens benefits their civ as a whole, which is good since we want them to survive as long as possible.
We could however say "If you want to keep your free dyes, please accept our trade of drama or literature for 50 gold"Comment
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Hi,
let me perhaps prove my naivité once again, but...
...but I have to point out that at one time most of the team thought diplo relations with Imperio (or with any team, for that matter) would be irrelevant for the rest of the game anyway, and that we shouldn't bother to be nice. And look what happened: Against all odds, we talked with Imperio and actually made much needed peace!Originally posted by mostly-harmless View Post
So I keep repeating what I've always said in these circumstances: If it doesn't cost us anything, let's continue to be nice to improve our standing. Who knows when and how this mighgt pay off in the future?
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It's disappointing that they won't talk, but we have to be happy that they're still acting as a very effective roadblock to PAL when, in metagame terms, they have nothing to play for.
We should keep supplying our spare dyes until we find a better use for them.Comment
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Thread necro! With PAL and Rabbits signing peace, we definitely want to chase up Rabbits and see if there's anything we can do to build the relationship further. Selling or gifting them techs, resource exchanges, whatever. Things are different if they aren't going to be wiped off the planet in the new few turns.
At the very least, it would be good to know why PAL signed peace with them, and if they know what PAL's plans are.Comment
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I offered a clams for wheat deal with rabbits. Not that we need the health right now, but might as well take the spare resource instead of Imperio (or PAL now I guess). Not sure if they accepted.Comment
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They accepted. Now lets wait and see whether they will talk now. Don't hold your breath, though.
I think PAL and Rabbits have some sort of inofficial Vassalage treaty in place. In that case we don't really want to boost them.
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We may as well see if we can get some extra gold out of Rabbits, while pushing them towards Nationalism along the way. Here's my try at a message:
Greetings, brave Rabbits! We salute the citizens of Caerbannog for their success in holding off the ravages of the Egyptian hordes. The Realms Beyond would like to signal our interest in working more closely together against the PAL menace that hangs over all our heads.
We are willing to sell any of our technologies to your team at extremely discounted prices; for example, we would be happy to offer either Literature + Drama or Philosophy to your team for your current 60g, and would like to line up more such deals for the future. Our goal would be to get your team to Nationalism tech, so that the good Rabbit people would be able to draft a formidable army to defend themselves against PAL. We can supply every tech along this route (Literature, Drama, Music, Philosophy, Nationalism) with the one exception of Civil Service, which our team traded for in the past. If you can research Civil Service yourselves, we will be happy to provide you with all other techs, at extremely cheap prices!
Please let us know if you are interested in either of the deals proposed above, or feel free to counter with your own. We will also be happy to discuss resource trades further, to our mutual benefit.
We can probably do better than that on the wording... I'm trying to get the ball rolling, and see if we can a) move Rabbits towards Nationalism tech and b) get them to give us some gold. Worth a shot, right?Comment
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