Team Info and Contacts - Banana

[T-hawk]

I think we should overpay Banana whatever we need to get that Iron. Trading Monarchy straight up for the resource would not be too much. Our need is desperate. And Banana is PAL's next victim so propping them up will help us in the long run.

[mostly-harmless]

Hi Bananas,
we are happy for our civs to have met finally and to establish a good start by opening borders. Surely you will appreciate the additional income through your first intercontinental trade routes.
We see that you have established good relations with PAL.
In the light of this and increasing tension on our continent we would like to offer you a deal for your metal:
Banana to provide TRB with metal from T113 on for 10 turns. TRB to provide Banana with a resource of their choice (excl. Horses) for the same 10 turns. On top of that we would offer you discounts on future tech deals as well as free supply of wines for a period of time.
As this is rather urgent, we are anxiously waiting for a reply to finish the deal this turn.

Regards
TRB

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

Finally we met.

I still have not given up the hop to get metal our way this turn.
I suggest to offer Banana a resource of our choice (except Horses) for their metal for 10 turns (and favourable tech trades in the future).
Any thoughts?

EDIT: ! Banana has not met Imperio yet. Thats good.
And they have no open borders with Templars. So our trade routes are the first intercontinental they get! Sloppy diplo.

mh

I think you skimmed the posts too quickly Banana isn't interested in our resources (they have Stone, as we assumed).

I agree with T-Hawk that we should go for the deal (in case anyone was in doubt).

[mostly-harmless]

They might be interested in marble (they are industrious) or our single wine (to raise happy limit).
I agree lets offer them whatever it takes.

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

Banana will soon have Marble and are in REP so no interest in wines, either.

I could also add that they have Gems (and probably cheap forges) as well as Ivory from PAL.

[mostly-harmless]

Yep and lots of food, so an increase in happy cap might be interesting for them.

I assume its still AutomatedTeller doing the Banana Team. I have PMed him over at CivFan, where he is pretty active.

So what would be our accepted deal?
Gifting Monarchy for Iron (10 turns)?
Trading Wines for Iron obviously.
Or Marble for Iron.

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

mh: I chatted them in-game with the proposal, and they turned them down, or was that not clear from my posts?

[sunrise089]

I would offer Monarchy, Aesthetics, and a resource to be agreed upon (and they can postpone getting the resource if they want) for Compass and 10 turns of Iron, and an agreement to trade Machinery for Philo if we can offer it within ten turns. That deal is quite in their favor, but not if we pull an Imperio and negotiate for the exclusive Philo trading deal. Of course, we need some way to get Metal Casting.

Will we get a GS before PAL can in apparently 4 turns?

[mostly-harmless]

mh: I chatted them in-game with the proposal, and they turned them down, or was that not clear from my posts?

Ah, I missed your 2nd post, sorry.
So no dice on the iron then, hmmm.

mh

[mostly-harmless]

Will we get a GS before PAL can in apparently 4 turns?

It might Templars after all attempting their 3rd religion.
And our GScientist is due on T116.

mh

[sooooo]

I still don't think it's worth bulbing the scientist on philosophy. If it's templars, then we're screwed because they won't trade with us. I think it is worth agreeing to give them both monarchy, literature and aesthetics for machinery (when we eventually get MC), with the proviso that we get iron for 10 turns right now. We can supply the monarchy and aesthetics in advance. I'm really against bulbing philo.

[mostly-harmless]

I am also uncomfortable with "wasting" the GS on Philo now. That academy in A1 goes a long way to speed up research of our next techs, we so urgently need.

I am off for this turn. Swiss, can you try to sned something to Banana asap (this turn)?

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

I still don't think it's worth bulbing the scientist on philosophy. If it's templars, then we're screwed because they won't trade with us. I think it is worth agreeing to give them both monarchy, literature and aesthetics for machinery (when we eventually get MC), with the proviso that we get iron for 10 turns right now. We can supply the monarchy and aesthetics in advance. I'm really against bulbing philo.

I like this idea: MC is 6 turns at -4gpt now. We'll have HBR on T116, and Construction in 6 more (T122). With an Academy in A1 on T117 that 6 should come down by a turn or two. With luck, we'll have MC & Machinery by T126.

[Swiss Pauli]

I am also uncomfortable with "wasting" the GS on Philo now. That academy in A1 goes a long way to speed up research of our next techs, we so urgently need.

I am off for this turn. Swiss, can you try to sned something to Banana asap (this turn)?

mh

I'll be around for a couple of hours yet, so there's every chance of getting something done this turn (11 hours left).

[Swiss Pauli]

I propose to offer Monarchy, Aesthetics and Literature for Machinery (when we have MC) and Iron for 10 turns. I'll open with Monarchy T1, Aesthetics T5 and Lit T10, and then we can improve our offer if needed.

Input welcome within 30 mins of this post...