Disputes Thread

[Donovan Zoi]

Its just another Banana Republic getting it right up the old poop shoot.

Enjoy

Hey, what are you trying to say here?

Thanks for agreeing to play on, Naldo.

[Hercules]

Considering Imperio's past actions, it is our view that they aren't in a position to complain about the current situation. Here is a brief list of their past actions from our point of view:

1. During the cooldown period of our previous NAP they used spies to disconnect our sole source of metal. Regardless of whether espionage is considered an act of war, preventing us from training troops to prepare for the end of NAP broke the spirit of that agreement.

2. Our current agreement that included the NAP Imperio is talking about also included following clauses:
2.1. Imperio was supposed to trade us Gunpowder. Not only did they fail to do this, but they ignored our messages about it.

2.2. Imperio was supposed to join us in war against Templars. They broke both letter and spirit of this clause by delaying their attack for so long that Templars declared on them instead.
This may be true but the player before Naldo, Kelben, was always short of time and chose to be vassal to RB.

In addition to broken agreements with us, Imperio did several other things that discouraged good relations:

3. Imperio had negotiated a trade embargo against us, denying us critical military technologies.

4. Imperio had teamed with Templars to declare war on us.

5. During the war between Imperio+Templars and RB, Imperio sat on the sidelines doing nothing with their huge army and betrayed their allies as soon as it became clear who was winning the war. Not only did they sign a separate peace deal with us, they made a secret agreement to split the lands of their former ally with their enemy. This kind of behavior does not make them look trustworthy even if it was to our benefit in this case.

Because Imperio ignored their responsibilities from our most recent agreement, Team RB considers that agreement broken -- by them, not us -- and therefore void.

Our team takes diplomacy and our diplomatic commitments seriously. We expect the same from others. Given Imperio's history of working diplomatically (conspiring with other teams against us), secretly (using spies to destroy critical resources despite having a NAP with us), and actively (declaring war) against us, we feel that we have sufficient casus belli for our current actions. This was our last choice.

Team RB

So how come you acquired it? Gunpowder that is.

Neither RB or Imperio look honourable coming out of this. And we know this to be true. So others be warned.

[ruff_hi]

@Hercules - I think your post above has mixed some of your comments in with my quote.

Edit: Herc missed this comment 'This may be true but the player before Naldo, Kelben, was always short of time and chose to be vassal to RB. ' - it is his and not mine.

[Naldorinho]

Bueno,

lo malo es que Rb en unos 5 turnos va a conseguir todas las ciudades de Imperio.

Dado que yo no conocÃa la posibilidad de romper acuerdos tenÃa todas las ciudades con un sólo guerrero y todo el ejercito concentrado en el sur. RB tenÃa esto planeado y ha arrasado todo mi ejercito de un golpe. Yo no contemplaba esta posibilidad.

Es una pena que Rb vaya a ganar la partida porque yo desconocÃa el código legal de los Democracy Games esto, lo siento.

Os recomiendo que echéis un vistazo a las normas del Gran Astrologix con las que jugamos los Pitboss en España, creo que le da más realismo y emoción a las partidad

Ahora entiendo porque Templars no dejaba nuestras fronteras desprotegidas aún estando aliados con ellos contra RB. Yo consideraba esto un error garrafal porque no luchaba con todo contra Rb y por esto no seguimos aliados con Templars. Pero veo que tenÃa su sentido.

Bueno ahora ya no hay nada que hacer Rb conquistará todo Imperio sin problemas.

[Naldorinho]

Good,

the bad news is that in about 5 turns Rb will get all the cities of the Imeprio.

Since I was not aware of the possibility of breaking agreements with all cities had only a warrior and the whole army concentrated in the south. RB had this planned and swept my whole army at once. I did not contemplate this possibility.

The shame is that RB will win the game because I didn't know the legal code of Democracy Games, sorry.

I recommend that you take a look at the rules of Astrologix with which the Pitboss play in Spain, I think it gives more realism and excitement to the game and diplomacy

Now I understand that Templars did not leave our borders unprotected despite being allied with them against RB. I considered this a mistake because they struggled with against Rb and why not continue with allies Templars. But I had that sense.

Well now there is nothing to do, Rb will conquers all imnperio cities

[Naldorinho]

I just pass the turn.

Logically I should not make any moves but the game lets me, what says the code of ethics at this time?

[Krill]

Each side has 24 hours to play teh turn. RB has the first 24 hours of every turn, Imperio the second 24 hours of every turn.

[Naldorinho]

Thank you Krill!

Yes I know, it's only an example

[T-hawk]

Each side has 24 hours to play teh turn. RB has the first 24 hours of every turn, Imperio the second 24 hours of every turn.

Also if RB ends the turn before 24 hours are finished, Imperio can play immediately or any time after that.

[Krill]

That's the precedent...

[conmcb25]

Good,
Since I was not aware of the possibility of breaking agreements with all cities had only a warrior and the whole army concentrated in the south. RB had this planned and swept my whole army at once. I did not contemplate this possibility.

Please spare us.

You broke your agreement with the Templars long before this happened and now right after you get screwed you want to preach about some code of ethics?

It kind of sucks when it happens to you doesn't it?

You can put you code of ethics where the sun doesn't shine. I won't trust you or anyone on your team ever again.

Welcome to Poly Demogaming

[Naldorinho]

I only say that I didn't play like you before. I accept all consequences now. I don't want to discud anything. If here you play in these conditions I accept these conditions

[Zeviz]

So how come you acquired it? Gunpowder that is.
...

We researched it ourselves.

As for Imperio's claim that they were our vassals, it was pretty funny the first time we've heard that from PAL, given the real terms of our deal.

Moral of the story: if you sign a very favorable deal with somebody, make sure you fulfill your side of it very carefully, or don't be surprised if they don't fulfill their side either.

PS This isn't an official reply, just my answer to your question. The official position is that team RB has stated all the facts and people can see the truth themselves when the forums are opened after the game ends.

[Hercules]

Thanks for the answer. So why make an issue of it.?

[Indiansmoke]

Bannana double moved and raised our capital...we request turn reload.

Basically wht they did is move theri galleon out of range, finish turn, then we play move the units out of the city, then they login again after we end turn and move their galleon 1 tile back so they can be in range next turn.