Ducki went Regent... How'm I doin'?

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by flash9286
wait till you get to monarch its alot harder

No reference as to whom this was addressed to so, since I was last prior post, I have beaten the game at every level for all patched an unpatched versions. Must have played 50 or more games at Monarch level.

[ducki]

Short update -
Caesar is dead, I took that little city planning for the war with Alexander...

Got Espionage, wanted to try out my spies, Tokugawa caught and executed twice - and declared war.

His first "attack force" ( ) was a ship with 2 cavalry.
Against my fully railroaded, defended by Infantry and Artillery, cranking out Infantry and Cavalry in 1 and 2 turns Empire.

Right next to my capitol.

Fool.
I already had a Caravel loaded up, so I cranked out 4 Transports and loaded up about 12 or 14 Artillery, half a dozen or more Cavalry, 10 or 12 Infantry(gotta have Garrisons) and 2 Greek Workers(or was it 4? )
Oh yeah, 2 Battleships and 3 Ironclads for escort and bombardment helped at least as much as all that artillery.

Anyway, right before I attacked his capitol, we hit the Modern Age, Ghandi is now caught up with me, as is Mao.

I have a spy in Beijing, and I think I could seriously beat some snot out of Mao, especially now that I'm cranking out a tank or two each turn, but I might want to take out Alex first, once I get some culture going in my new ex-Japanese cities(once I get the Capitol, that is...that should leave Tokie with 1 or 2 cities off in BFE and me with a 4 city beachhead on China.


I generated 1 GL.
I don't have any wonders to build.
I don't know what to Research so that I get something sellable to the AI AND that I get something to use my Leader on soon enough that I can just wait out the Research before finishing Japan's capitol, so I can try for another leader....

Anyway, that's only about a 7-turn wait, I just gotta figure out what Tech to go for.

Any threads on Early Modern Tech choices?

[vmxa1]

Wrong page again.

[ducki]

I got ToE in industrial...
I'm up to stuff like Fission, Computers, Ecology(or somesuch)...

I don't want to lose either the space race or the UN, but I just don't know enough about Modern and where the AI goes to make an informed decision.

[alva]

Gonna play this one up to 1854 ad. Same date as vmxa1, that way we can see the differences in style/strategy
Should be sometime today, I hope

btw: what does 'vmxa1' mean

[flash9286]

i was talking to ducki

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by alva848
Gonna play this one up to 1854 ad. Same date as vmxa1, that way we can see the differences in style/strategy
Should be sometime today, I hope

btw: what does 'vmxa1' mean

Virtual Machine eXtented Architecture. It is a main frame operating system.

[ducki]

What's the first tech you guys usually research in Modern? What does the AI usually go for?

Keep in mind, I do _not_ have a tech lead over India and China.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by ducki
What's the first tech you guys usually research in Modern? What does the AI usually go for?

Keep in mind, I do _not_ have a tech lead over India and China.

It depends on the situation. Normal would be Computers to get the labs and start Seti and make MI. Then it depends on how things are going. If I am not going to be at war soon and I am beating them to building wonders, I may go to ecology to reduce my pollution and the need to have workers clean it. I do this if the workers are still busy bulding RR and the like. Then I may go to Rcoketry and on to Fibers to have MA or I may go Genetics. Having MA is going to give me an edge and the AI is not going to want to be ungracious.
If I am struggling for wonders I may race for Genetics after computers to get those wonders started.
One thing about ecology is you can trade it if you are so inclined and not hurt yourself.
I tend to hold off on Fission for as long as I can. I do not make nukes or subs very often and if I fail to get a wonder in this age, Manhatten is the one I would rather miss.

[badams52]

ducki,

I play most of my games on regent, though I'm usually far ahead once we hit modern. The latest game though, Russia was right with me. I know the AI tends to ignore miniturization, genetics, and recycling. Usually, I think the AI focusses on space ship techs like rocketry, and space flight and later fission. It could be dangerous if one AI gets fission and swipes the UN from under your feet. From your descriptions, it seems like you have building the wonders in your hip pocket, but you don't want to let the UN go to the AI. Many people have lost that way.

After space flight, the AIs priorities seems to be get spaceship components techs. After the component techs, he's off to Integrated Defense (never underestimate the power of SDI), and finished up with Stealth, miniturization, robotics and genetics.

I usually go for this order:

computers - research and defense
ecology - I hate pollution, plus it's on the way to synthetic fibers
recycling - I hate pollution. I also may give/trade this to the AI so he'll help reduce global warming
rocketry - build 5 sam sites (useless except for SDI) plus aluminum shows up -- increased production
fission - uranium shows up -- increased production and if you don't have it, you now know where to get it.
space flight - apollo!!!
synthetic fibers - MAs and 3 ship components
satellites/superconductors - ship components
nuclear power - gotta get lasers...
laser - final ship component which is also quick to build so I leave it till last (so does the AI).

Of course there are many paths you could take. If you want to win millitarily, synthetic fibers would come right after ecology and (maybe) before computers. Then on down the miniturization/robotics line for increased production and radar artillery (if you're an artillery kind of guy) and finally stealth. Though trying to bomb with stealth bombers usually is quite difficult since the AI loves fighters. Expect heavy bomber losses!

If you think you want a diplomatic victory, fission would be a definite first.

good luck!
badams

[alva]

I wanted to play it until 1854(like vmxa), but didn't succeed.
You should check it out anyway , just press enter

did a couple of unsual things though (for me),
1. Never build any hospitals
2. went to communism for the first and last time
3. moved my palace for the first time

In the end, hade some good fun with and spend way to much time on it

[alva]

d*mned, forgot the save

[vmxa1]

I will peek, I forgot how this game went.

[ducki]

Well, I think I may have screwed up.

You'll recall that I had a leader waiting for a wonder to rush and that India was equal or faster on research and keeping China current.

In learning how to use Espionage, I upset Tokie and he and all 6 of his cities declared war on me. I quickly gobbled up the 4 that were contiguous and a 2 turn transport from Thebes. Battleships and a buttload of Artillery made this too easy. Of course, they also destroyed a lot of improvements. The fall of the second city created a great leader, which I promptly sent to Thebes for some R&R while continuing my beachhead behind China. (I really wish that had been India - China will be a cakewalk and I really need to slow India down.


Anyway, I told my researchers to discover the secrets of Computers while Ghandi researched Fission. I got a 10 turn head start on SETI, so Khufu the Leader is still waiting around. Ghandi finally discovered Fission while I was nearing Ecology(?) and started both UN and MP!!

And wouldn't trade tech!!!

Once he reached the halfway point, I assume he felt secure in the wonders - - so I actually waited until SETI was 1 turn away to trade for Fission... then I started and Rushed the UN as there doesn't seem to be any exclusive benefit to Manhattan Project.

I got both, causing both India and Russia to waste shields, but at what price? I don't think I can pull away technologically...even with a 60-80% research rate, SETI, Labs, etc, I'm just not outpacing Ghandi very well.

And productivity is so high, I don't really have any effective way to "prebuild" SS parts.

I fear I may have to declare war on India, and I'm not really set up for it. China would be a more convenient target, but that would only help Ghandi, not me.

Egypt may just end up lost if I don't get my butt in gear and slow Ghandi down a bit more.



P.S. - I tried a game on Monarch just for kicks and I got quite a few kicks - in the ***. Damn the AI moves fast at that level!

[alva]

After I took over your game, I stopped trading alltogether,signed an MPP with India and went to war with china.
Needless to say that India became involved too, at wich point there was no tech trading whatsoever. This is the point where you start to pull away and never look back.
(Except when going to communism like I did, never gonna do that again )

maybe you check out my game I posted above (well it's your game, played by me )