2nd Apolyton Civ3 Tournament : 1-15/December/2001 (results are in!)

[adaMada]

How does the hopefully soon-to-be-released patch change all of this? Everyone who submits must play game w/ patch? With out? Tell if you have patch or not when you submit? What if you change half way through?

Just wondering if you've thought about this yet, as the patch looks like it'll change a lot...

-- adaMada

[MarkG]

yes, for this tournament, the patch is out

if you have started a game or plan to, you shouldnt use the patch

[philler]

or... post a new map this weekend after (if?) the patch is released

those who want to finish the current map without the patch can, and those who want to start a new map with the patch can too.

this way, everybody's happy

[GeorgeWang]

Saving and reloading isn't a big deal. He's basically crippling them through diplomatic deals, trading away the 3-4 "dummy cities" he built last near his capital and taking them back the same turn.

This probably causes the A.I. to think its getting killed warring against the English, and giving up all the real cities it has for peace. Land a few troops and take over their capital and the few other cities they're unwilling to surrender.

[Trash]

Stop the bloody ramblings



Will people stopping filling up the board with these incesent posts about loading save games.

If you bothered to read anything MartyParty stated that he had used a load/save method to achieve the victory. Which a few people were submitting in the 1st tourney post. I'm pretty sure these submissions won't be counted as a winning entry in the proper tournment and the submiter would propably agree.

I for one, and there are alot of others i would suspect, am alot more interested in reading his post and viewing his save game then reading your uninformed drivel

I don't want to accuse anybody of anything, but Conquest victory in 200 AD?
Common, you don't even have time to visit all continents so quickly.
And, since it's on monarch and you don't have horses, I have doubts that you can conquer any civilization in such short time.

Read the freakin post

btw: please don't reply to this on here. Email me if you have to, don't waste everyone elses time

[MartyParty1]

I could play the scenario again in ironman style and get a better score now that I know how the other civs are arranged. Save/load is not the key.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by MartyParty1
I could play the scenario again in ironman style and get a better score now that I know how the other civs are arranged. Save/load is not the key.

Replaying the game is also considered against the rules

If you do play again, just remember to mark it as such
(i plan on having another go, conquest this time )

[MartyParty1]

Not really inclined to replay it anyway so you wouldn't have to worry. My point was that save/reload had hardly anything to do with it, and people who can't evalute beyond save/load as a difference maker should probably try to think back to the last time they came up with an original strategy for anything. While people are arguing if a strategy works so well that it works *too* well, I'm coming up with the next one.

I tire of mundane checks such as making sure there's no potential civil unrest before ending the turn, so often I'll end the turn then backtrack to correct the problematic cities, thereby saving some painful manual checks, and so on.

I'm more interested in seeing any new strategic attempts since I'd be real surprised if existing strategies discussed on these boards could do any better anyway.

Not the least bit surprised that some people would automatically shout "cheat" simply because a result is in a different ballpark than what they can do (though it always makes me laugh), but if you only recognise strategies everyone knows about then what's the point of playing a strategy game LOL.

BTW GeorgeWang deserves a cookie for being a good student.

[Conqueror]

how lame

Originally posted by GeorgeWang
Saving and reloading isn't a big deal. He's basically crippling them through diplomatic deals, trading away the 3-4 "dummy cities" he built last near his capital and taking them back the same turn.

This probably causes the A.I. to think its getting killed warring against the English, and giving up all the real cities it has for peace. Land a few troops and take over their capital and the few other cities they're unwilling to surrender.

This should be considered as cheating. Atleast i consider it to be that.

[PavementIstRad!]

Space race victory in 1898

I settled a few cities on my starting continent, researched map making as quickly as possible, and sent scouts out to the islands on the west and east and India's continent to the south. I really wanted the incense, so I settled the continent to the east, and noticed that India's continent had some empty spots for a couple of cities that would get me iron and dyes, so got a couple of settlers to those spots, too. I got a couple of cities on the island to the west, but I ended up sharing it with the Iroquois.

I was somewhat puzzled by America's situation, and kind of pitied them, so I built a worthless city on tundra and gave it to them, thinking that maybe I could use them later for gold or something.

As time went on, wasn't sure what kind of victory I'd go for. I noticed Germany was coming dangerously close to a cultural victory by building a buttload of wonders in Berlin and 1 in Leipzig, so I decided I'd try to stop their plans of cultural domination by taking all their wonders from them. I amassed a good size army of cavalry, infantry, and artillery and landed on a mountain to the south of Berlin. After a few turns of bombardment, my cavalry made short work of the infantry defending Berlin, then I moved in my infantry and let my cavalry regroup as they quelled the resistance. Germany had almost no offensive units, so Berlin only got attacked once, but we held them back. I next marched on Leipzig, and quickly took it as well. Having accomplished what I'd set out to do, I negotiated peace with Germany.

After a few turns, I risk of the cities reverting back to Germany was too high, so I gave them to America (knew they'd be good for something), then took them back, and this time razed them. America was in no position to seek retribution, as they only had one city (that I'd given them), and a puny army, so they dealt with it.

Anyway, I never got a chance to use the Man O War, so I never got my Golden Age, which I was pretty upset about, but oh well. I even waged war with India to stop them from building the United Nations before I could finish it, in an attempt to trigger a gold age for myself, and ended up raising Bombay, where they were building the UN. I completed the UN, but still no GA.

Time went on, lost a few cities, gained a few, then the Iroquois, who hadn't been much of a threat the entire game, decided to build their spaceship. I was technologically behind, so I had to trade around and pay quite a bit to catch up, and we were pretty much neck in neck in the spaceship race, I even had an army ready to invade and take Salmanaca should they come close to building their ship before me, but I was able to discover synthetice fibers before them, thereby allowing me to build the remaining SS parts before them.

Heh, sorry to make this so long, but it was such a fun game, man, it was a blast!

[ChrisShaffer]

No patch? You've got to be kidding.

Well, if we aren't allowed to play the tourney after we apply the patch, I might as well submit what I have now. I'm not going to have much time to play before the patch is released. There's no way I'll hold off on installing the patch just for this tournament.

I beelined for Mapmaking, then Literature at 32 turns each. I ran the start of the game at 10% (or 0% with scientist) science rate and built the Great Library in 90AD and immediately received 11 technologies! I've been at 0% science since I build the GL.

I sent out settler/warrior combos on galleys and claimed dye (in the Indian jungle), gems (on the east side of India), and ivory (on the Iroquois island). Combined with the grapes and incense on my second/third islands and the silks on my main island, a nice set of 6 luxuries.

Being the first (only) nation to build galleys and explore the world helped a lot. I have met all the nations, which are in three groups: Iroquois, Germany-India-America, and France-Russia-Japan. With the Great Library, I made a good living selling technology between the groups.

The attached game is at 330AD. I just became a Republic and have bought two harbors (to link gems and ivory to my network) and some courthouses in key locations. I'm about to build aqueducts in my primary group of five cities. Marketplaces should come soon after, when Russia or India (the big researchers) discover Currency. I don't think I'll need Cathedrals until after Sanitation, with all the luxuries.

I have a settler about to build a city by the horses on the island between France and India, with a rushed harbor next. I was planning to go on the offensive soon, sending Knights to take dye, grapes, and iron from the Indians for trading -- and then to shift into a mercantile empire, selling luxuries and resources to the world. A late middle-ages Golden Age would be nice too....

But, I probably won't finish this game. When the patch arrives, I will install it immediately and skip over to CivFanatics for the GotM, which promises to be a fun Grecian pangeatic experience.

330AD retirement. A "humiliating loss." 1st place in Approval Rating, GNP, Land Area, Pollution, and Productivity. 2nd place in Population, Manufactured Goods, and Annual Income. 4th place in Literacy. 7th place in Military Service (guess the Americans were in 8th, lol). Score: 575.

Strange, my score is 575 (1st) and Germany is 493 (2nd). Shouldn't that count as a win?

[ChrisShaffer]

Whoops, forgot the attachment.

[Trash]

giving away dummy cities

Giving away cities next to your capital type stuff is definately a cheat (exploiting a bug), because its being 'fixed' in the patch.

[philler]

so, how about a new map for the 3rd apolyton Civ3 tournament as soon as the patch is released?

[cgrecu]

Originally posted by MartyParty1
I could play the scenario again in ironman style and get a better score now that I know how the other civs are arranged. Save/load is not the key.

Unfortunately this is true...
And I apologize for accusing you in the first place.But I still think that this IS NOT A STRATEGY.What you did, is just another exploit and is really no different that the One Million Bug.
And , this is not allowed in the tournament.
Ok, you have discovered a new bug, but you should try getting a high score without using this *strategy*, because that's what this game is all about.

I think that the AI have some serious troubles.I saw that some of them are corrected in the patch(including giving cities away), but still, this game is very unbalanced and it really makes the tournament lose its purpose.
Now I'm sad